I waited a day for this post just to see how many bogus reviews were going to show up on the search result pages for Keyword Elite version 2.0. As expected the entire first page is full of crap sales pitches for the product and not a single useful post for anyone wondering if the software is worth a dam. Lots of sites selling it (including the ever popular (useless) bonuses if you use my link spiel) but no one who has actually put it to work.
I haven't bought it - don't intend too either. I'll get to my reasons shortly but for now I want to encourage those of you who have to leave me your impressions in the comments or even better - write an honest post and I will add the link to you on this post. No sales pitches please! (You can like it or hate it just no affiliate links) A lot of real people will hear about this program and wouldn't it be nice to offer them some real information and knock the affiliates off the first page of the serps. Capiche?
To begin Splork has started a thread on this topic and you can check it out here, Keyword Elite 2 - What`s the Word?
Simonne has this review as well, Keyword Elite 2.0 vs Google Adwords Keyword Estimation Tool
Alana's take on the program, Keyword Elite V 2.0 Overview – Do you really need it?
Jim has some advice for Brad Callen, Keyword Elite 2.0 Ignores Mac Users
Seems the spam and hype have not gone unnoticed, Paul vents I`m Already Pissed off with Keyword Elite 2.0
Now - I have waded through the Brad Callen Spam Attack this past few weeks and if that wasn't enough reason not to buy his product I'll give you a few other reasons.
First off - it's a Keyword Estimate tool and I have told everyone this often - the estimates are not particularly useful as they bare little resemblance to actual keyword searches. Keep in mind that I may well hold more number 1 serp positions than any one else online and have compared the estimates of Google, Keyword Elite 1, Wordtracker and others to my actual stats and none of them are even remotely accurate. Yup - even Google's as hard as that is to believe. (Oh and Google's is free)
Secondly, having watched the pre-sell videos I couldn't help but cringe when I saw the PPC Adwords module called Adwords Time Machine or some such nonsense. Folks this module is meant to entice noobs into the PPC venue on the belief that easy money is to be made by simply copying the campaigns of the successful PPC users. There are a few problems with this assuming the Time Machine stats are even accurate. First there will suddenly be dozens or hundreds of new players all using the exact same ads for the same products bidding for the top serp spot. In the process Google will be making hay as the bid price gets blown into the stratosphere as the competition skyrockets for the ad placement. Second - the noobs doing the bidding will know nothing about the real trick to effective PPC advertising - Quality Landing Pages - and end up paying $10.00 a click because their MMO blog is not optimized for the terms they are bidding on and the fools will still think its going to make them money because the site that has been advertising for the term must be making money or they wouldn't have kept the ads running for six months. Guess what - the established site is only paying pennies a click because it is optimized for the actual keyword or it is the product manufacturer or both. This little module will cost a lot of noobs a lot of money. A better module would be one that shows how many noobs are bidding on a keyword because of Brad's module and then tell you to stay the hell away.
Let's look at some of the other modules...
A New Advanced Google Site Targeter program which allows you to quickly find websites displaying Adsense that you can advertise your own website on.
Ummmm... useless. You know what your site is about. Type in your keyword in Google's search and advertise on the highest ranked site on page 1 that uses Adsense. Why you would want to do this is beyond me though - just outrank them. Why they would allow you to advertise is beyond me as well - you're the competition.
New JV Diamond Miner program which allows you to quickly and easily find websites that are building email lists, allowing you to mooch traffic from their already profitable businesses.
Ummm... it knows which sites are profitable? Neat trick. Hint - every site with a free ebook or selling a product has an email list. Spam them all and ask to sell your product on their Thank You page. Just Google your keyword to find them - you don't need Keyword Elite 2 to find a list for spamming.
New CPA Magnet Program which allows you to find high converting CPA offers, as well as monetize those offers through stealth keyword generation.
Interesting - I'll let someone write in and tell me how well this works.
Enhanced Speed.
Yawn....
Keyword Elite’s own Keyword Data Source, which allows you to build your keyword lists in seconds, not minutes.
Great except Google's Adword tool only takes seconds and is still just as wrong.
Added the Microsoft OCI Percentage so you can see what percentage of visitors searching on a specific keyword are potential buyers compared to browsers.
Cool - maybe... Let's hear some results from some users.
A Competition Strength Indicator to quickly tell you if a keyword is worth optimizing for… based on the level of the competition.
Ummmm.... do a search in exact quotes and then check the anchor's used in the top sites backlinks. Most competitive keywords don't have more than a few dozen serious competitors and less competitive keywords rarely have more than a few serious competitors. What do you care anyway - there isn't a term online that you can't outrank if you follow my advice regarding backlinks and put in the work. I don't even bother to check the competition anymore - I just get to work and out rank them. Doesn't matter if it takes a week or a year - just do it.
Ok - that's enough. I want to hear your views and if you write a post about Keyword Elite then let me know and I'll add it here.
Cheers,
Griz
Warning - The following comment section contains some strong language that may offend some readers. I have left the comments stand as I do not believe in censorship of other people's opinions.
Thursday, August 27, 2009
Keyword Elite v2.0 ? - Not a Fake Affiliate Review
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Completely agree with your post Grizz. Keyword Elite 2.0 is completely overrated. Which is disappointing since I was looking forward to promoting it myself. =)
I actually do like the Adwords Time Machine though as I see some value to it. However, there is nothing special about the rest of the functionality like you said. Plus many of the features like the Google Site Targeter, CPA Magnet and Competition Sniper all have free alternatives that do the same thing.
Chris,
Just be careful with the PPC if you aren't experienced. (I suspect you are given your url - lol) Beginners can lose their shirts in a hurry. Thanks for the input.
I'm gonna cook something up and I'll let you know once I get 'er done.
Glad to see your are not only providing noobs with good info on how make money online but also steering them away from some of the "crap" thats out there.
P.S. Do you really think its worth my time to develop the MMO blog that I linked to? There are just so many other more profitable, less competitive niches that I am busy working... What's your opinion as someone with a big time MMO blog?
I think the main draw to KE2.0 is the same as the main draw for me was to Market Samurai; its all the info I need in one location.
Yes I can spent an extra few minutes and find all the free sources it uses and do the searches myself...but yea
In regards to KE2.0 one think I dont like about it is the fact owners of KE1.0 (which I use now and again) dont get 2.0. I mean the product name is the same surely it should be a free upgrade? or at least free trial/ discount prices for the people who shelled out $xxx before.
The OCI module I have been using it within MS and have found its accuracy is actually pretty good. Helps you find those 'buying' keywords slightly more easily.
In regards to the site targeter I think thats more to do with sites that rank well but dont monetise well. For example I have a site that is no1 in the serps and gets decent traffic and adsense CTR. Now if a marketer said i'll give you Z x Current Adsense Rev if you display my banner instead I would prob take it.
Though will keep an eye out for your review before I completely judge KE2.0 as a waste of my cash.
Well....that post was completely polar opposite to all the emails I have received about Keyword Elite 2.0. I like to see brutally honest reviews like this one.
I own the first Keyword Elite and I dont find myself using it much anymore. I am finding that the free stuff works just as well. It may help you dig a little deeper on keyword research for terms to target but other than that its probably the same thing as before.
Most people who even buy the product dont even know how to use all the features anyway or know what the information provided is giving them.
Hey Griz, I know you say just use the methods you write about on here, but in my opinion those methods may not be able to even stand against those who do it with automated tools. Are you using automated tools at all? I never see you mention it directly. Because, someone just sitting down writing articles on article sites can easily have those links discounted by someone(their competition) with tools/programs that can send them out faster and in greater abundance. These people usually spin the article links and then throw them all up on a high authority site like ezine. In that respect, those articles written are a waste of time unless they can some how manage to get better authority sites linking to them. Even putting your link in your articles won't make a difference, because the programs will just take them out and replace them. I think that method is a little outdated. It theory it can still work, but you would already need a bunch of authority sites waiting to link to your articles. Now, I know you could always just beat these guys to the punch and throw up all of your articles on a site like ezine, but since you can only get so many links counted from one place wouldn't that be close to a waste of time? By the way does anyone happen to know the number of links that can be counted from one ip? Anyways, I'm curious to see your thoughts on this, because the only thing I've read on your blog on how to combat something like this is to throw links in your articles so that they link back to you, which I don't think works anymore. I know this was a long comment, more content for your site :)
Hey Griz,
Definitely agree about being carefuly with PPC. =)
Have you checked out Market Samurai? It has some overlap in functionality with Keyword Elite 2.0 and it gets really good reviews. Difference is, that they don't have an affiliate program.
Chris
Great post once again Griz. The funny thing is that I got about 10 e-mails from 'Internet marketers' (of which I am somehow on their list). Even the so called big boys are promoting it. Now I personally haven't used Keyword Elite (and dont fall for all the hype - well not any more at least) but since reading your blog, I now realise that the so called big boys with big lists seem to rely on promoting the 'next best Internet markeing product/tool'. This is a bad business model in my eyes - being on top of the SERPs and getting a truck loads of targetted traffic to your niche sites seems a better business model - that way you're more self-sufficient.
Anyway, apologies if I haven't contributed much to the issue at hand, but I absolutely love this comment:
"I dont even bother to check the competition anymore - I just get to work and out rank them! Doesn't matter if it takes a week or a year - just do it!"
GRIZ GRIZ GRIZ...how do mate!
I heard from VIC that brad callen isnt updated information for keyword elite and SEO elite anymore... (whatever information is i dont know) and it doesnt work as well as before!!
He said he now uses "Marketing samurai" instead...
is this true, if so i will use marketing samurai... Thanks Griz, we love u man
WB x
Here's what I started doing some time ago: Every time I got an email from a so called guru promoting a product he clearly hadn't even seen, let alone tested, I hit the unsubscribe button.
I've been in this game long enough to have been on most of the guru's lists at some point or other yet at the moment I'm on maybe 3 or 4.
The thing is though that when those 3 or 4 do recommend something, I trust them enough to at least take a look at it and should I buy, I do not begrudge them their cut if they happen to be promoting via an affiliate link.
I believe its called 'relationship building' and pro's like Dave Kelly who wouldn't dream of recommending something without putting it through its paces first may not be making bank every other day shoving junk to his lists but I bet he's still around a long time after the 'gurus' have long gone.
I agree with you and Chris. From the videos it looks better, but what was really added? A couple of PPC tools.
Griz,
Project #2 of KE 1.0 is shot. Some of the features like KEI, R/S Ratio don't even work anymore. Are you still using KE 1.0?
No way I was buying for $997, I mean $197. I think I paid $50 bucks for both of the Elites back during the Vic/Ebay/.info fiasco. The dude said you couldn't do that crap without SEOElite and I believed him. Anyway, I looked at the PDF and thought that maybe the "Keyword Surge" module might be useful. But that sort of works against TKA. There is no way any of those keywords are going to be "green". I'm trying to stick to one method and TKA seems to work out all right. The rest of the modules seem to deal with something I have no interest in ever doing (again) which is PPC. A lot of noobs are going to get hurt with this program.
The 8,000 Brad Callen emails leading up to this simply annoyed the hell out of me. Like the current stock market I feel that it is a suckers rally. Or in other words Keyword Elite 2.0 is probably bullshit.
I don't have Keyword Elite 2.0 and I don't plan on getting it, so I can't give you my opinion. However, my guess is that everything you said is true and it's not worth buying.
Also, I got the barrage of emails from everyone and their dog promoting it so I was already annoyed of it before I even looked at the sales page.
Griz,
as always a great review. I have seen the buzz around about the new keyword elite 2.0 and I have taken the same attitude as you have... just build my own site and out rank the competition. If it takes 2 years, great, all that much more anticipation!
I am tired of buying more and more software to try to dig out the gold in some new keyword cave. I like to think that the grey matter between my ears is the best keyword research i can do and them let the free Google keyword tool validate my thinking to at least a 50% margin.
As far as keyword elite helping me with paid search, I have no desire to venture into that territory anyway. I like the organic stuff, just like you!
AL
I'm glad to see this review also. Years ago, literally, there was/still is a tool called IBP, Internet Business Promoter, which had several modules like the JV Diamond tool that allowed you to find competitors (possible partners?) and spam them with link exchange/JV proposals. I read about the JV Diamond Mine module just the other day and thought, OMG, is it already time for 'that' old nugget to be new again?
I sent a fellow here to make money for beginners just the other day, Gris, he ahd asked me, frustrated, what he should buy next, and I told him, nothing. Avoid bright shiny baubles and instead. do the foundation work and Google will do the rest.
At the rate Callen and the affiliate gang are sending out those spams, I wonder if there are people who'd buy Keyword Elite 2.0 only to see them stopping (which is not going to happen anyway; after I bought v1.0, I've got at least 1000 mails from Brad Callen trying to sell it to me again)
Hi Grizzly (and everyone else),
I have been lurking and reading your posts for about a year now. This is such a great resource. Trying to learn all I can to make a living online someday. I have a site that I set up from your tutorials, but am wondering if I did an ok job, and whether or not the niche could be profitable, or if it is too competitive for a newbie. I sent you an email with questions that I have, but I am sure you are one busy blogger! If anyone else here has feedback/suggestions/criticism for my blog, please let me know! I want to post more and invest more of my time into it, but am not sure if I am doing it right.
Thanks,
Cas
Sell your product on others Thank You page... now that's a great idea! Why haven't I thought of that yet? This will make one of my clients very happy if I can pull it off...
Hi Griz,
Your post was timely, because I just got a $100 credit from Google to try AdWords. I figured I might as well try it, since it's their dime (although I'm sure they'll get me for something down the road).
I'm as green as they come with PPC because I've only ever gotten free traffic, thanks to my buddy Griz who taught me how. ::grin::
Can anyone point me in the direction of some detailed no-BS info on how not to get skinned alive using PPC? I would appreciate it. I'd be happy to give links to any genuinely useful info on the PR4 MMO hub that was mentioned in Griz's last post. Click my name to get my e-mail address. Thanks!
What's Keyword Elite 2.0? Never heard of it.
;)
Grizz - how could you! How could you possibly "review" a product you haven't bought LOL!
I own KW1.0, SEOElite and Market samurai. Since I bought MS I haven't used KW 1.0 - thats like the whole of this year - I still use Seoelite to check backlinks and my rankings - I'll be sorry when that stop working! I reviewed Market Samurai a while ago and linked to their useful free keyword finding videos.
Callen is a fraud - where's my lifetime upgrade to kw2.0 - I bought the bloody thing fair and square and the lived thru the spam war too.
Market Samurai has a whole lot of shite I don't use either but it works, its supported, and I don't get spammed to hell by the owners - they are Australians though you can't have everything LOL
Haha. Is this wrong or what? I made a blog(Won't give the name now.) a couple months ago and began collecting links and what not, but built too fast, so I assume that google has not sandboxed me, but only lets me get 50 visitors a day, no matter what I do. But anyway, it is a competitive niche, all of the top sites are PR 4 and 5s, but they are not properly optimized for the keyword. I am perfectly optimized, have 50 anchored backlinks and everything, so I thought that I would be ranking soon, at least with quotes, because there is no competition. So, I checked my keyword today in quotes on google, and Grizz's adsense site ranks higher than me for my keyword. It is ranked #2 and I am about #10.
So, I was wonering, "Why the heck does he rank higher than me?!?!? Our keywords are TOTALLY different. Then I figured it out. He actually ranks higher than me because of a comment I made on his page. It is a link that says my websites name, on his page and it ranks for the term. OMG I suck.
Hi Grizz - all is well here in downunderland,
Wouldn't it be fun to point Lissie at this KE V2.0 thingy, and get one of her "
no holds barred" commentaries?
Being a hard-core miser, I always use the free Google Tool in my quest; "How To Find Long Tailed Keywords" and for any other Key-phrase research.
I don't take the search traffic figures it suggests literally, but they do show the relative popularity, or the lack thereof!
Seems to me a bit grasping of Brad to hit his faithful users with the price of a whole new unit to get up-graded?
Chetty Bear,
Actually I do think a MMO blog is worth building but not for the money or lack thereof. It may be the easiest niche to build authority in given our large community of selfless friends. ie. It is easier to find friends that will help you with links in this niche than any other.
This means that you can build an authority site even if it ranks on page 10 for the main MMO keywords. You can still rank high for selective terms like Lissie and SBI or hopefully "Teaching Sells" etc. While that may not make her much money the links involved in achieving her rankings will give her blog authority status which can then be used to promote other sites and keywords (even un-related - think about.com)
I'm going to be posting on the topic of authority sites and why everyone should have one soon and this will all make more sense then.
Short answer - yes, develop the MMO site as best you can. Use it to help others and they will help you. (This message is for all... )
Donace,
Interesting take on it and I can see the allure for beginners to have all the toys in one place. I myself don't find it a large chore having a few different programs on my desktop (still in one place) for use at will. The thing is I really don't use keyword tools much at all anymore - experience has taught me what is likely to be popular and monetizable. If I do need a tool the free ones are just as good (or bad) as the paid ones.
In truth SEO Elite is the only thing I use regularly and really just the backlink checker program.
I suppose because I don't recommend beginners use PPC and free tools exist for everything else KE does I would steer them away from KE2. It is a lot of money for something they don't need and yes - it should have been an upgrade for KE1 owners. Brad may regret not doing so.
Thanks Donace
Tissa,
Amazing how you hear a different side of things when someone isn't selling anything! lol
Well Grizz, you covered it all I think. LOL
I was all excited as I thought I would be getting a free update to my copy if KE. THEN, I saw the pre-release introduction video where Brad Callen introduced one of the "new" functions available, whch is, Taaa daaa.......
the ability to find websites with a low alexa ranking so you can go and leave some shit in a hight traffic site!!
OMFG WTF!!!
I got a site with less than 80 uniques and my alexa ranking is below 90000. Bwahahahahahahaaa!!!
Jason,
Ain't that the truth - I didn't use half the stuff built into KE1. Of course much of it ceased working for long periods of time as well. The extras are mostly toys for the spammers to use anyway. Sounds good on paper but try mass emailing sites looking for links or JV's and you aren't going to be liked much.
I almost succumbed to the heavy pull of the next "necessary" thing and then reminded myself that I got a REFUND for KE 1.0 because I couldn't see why I sholud pay for so much that was either useless or available free. Duh. Along with all the other great tips Griz you're helping me break my habit
And as for Market Sa mur ai it's pretty lame IMHO. More noobs stuff. I actually had to point out bugs to their support - and why would I wnat a SLOWER and error-ridden version of Google Keywords?
Red,
I must completely and totally disagree with you. Automated IMers don't come close to my results. They produce quantity and I produce quality - posts and backlinks. I can produce 1 link that does me more good than a thousand BMD links. I do it all the time. One 10,000 original word post brings me in dozens of long tail keywords that produce traffic and leads me to the real keywords that the others never find with their spun 300 word crappy articles posted across hundreds of useless article directories.
Red - I do so well because everyone else uses automated tools. I have said this many times - do things the long slow way up front and it will pay off later big time. I never get sandboxed, never get de-indexed and never get caught. Using automation can be useful for short term gain but not for the long run. Name one authority site that is automated?
Original content and quality links equals success - it did 5 years ago and it still does today.
To answer your question - no I do not automate my sites. (I do however use some tools for other experiments that I don't discuss publicly)
Chris,
I have heard lots of good things about Market Samurai but never used it myself. I suppose because I already had the Elites there was little need for another tool. Also I suppose because I rarely use tools anymore. The best tool you can have is a few authority sites...
Graduate Blogger,
The funniest thing about the list pimps - none have a site that ranks for squat and none of them have ever used a single product they promote. If the warrior forum and aweber crashed tomorrow they wouldn't know what to do! :-)
Griz,
I never gave KE a look, and I am sure I already have plenty of tools in the closet already! LOL
Someone told me that the best keywords are the ones that you find in your tracking software from search traffic after you write countless hours of content per post.
I am working on the first post ever to attempt to get that back-link.
We will see how it goes.
Great review by the way.
Dirk
WB,
Tis true - the elites haven't been updated in ages since the plan was obviously to replace them with version 2 - at a price. So much for the lifetime upgrades...
If you must use a tool it appears that Market Samurai gets the nod from most people - I myself can't confirm that though.
Manx Man,
Funny you should mention Dave Kelly (Linkvana) - he is one of the few who I still buy from occasionally. His saving grace is that he does actually understand and practice SEO and produces stuff that is useful for getting ranked. He is focused on backlinks and how to get them - ie. he does know how the game is played unlike the so called experts.
Anonymous,
As mentioned I haven't used KE1 in a long time.
Hi Griz,
My effort and success online is directly proportional to the number of times i visit your blogs. Not just the knowledge about online money making, the basic motivation to work hard comes from your blog posts.
Splork,
I think you have been doing this long enough to realize that all the info you need is already right between your ears. Tools or no tools - you can spot a likely winner when you see it. If you don't know how to come up with an idea in the first place all the tools in the world won't help - you have to come up with the keyword that you run through them - they don't pick them for you. If I recommend anything it would be to stick to TKA - Court and Mark have their poop together and won't lead anyone astray.
As for PPC - like you, no thanks. If I want to gamble I'll go to Vegas. Free traffic only please.
Hey Josh,
I don't know that I would call it bullshit as it will do what it claims. It's just that the results can be had elsewhere for cheaper (or free) and the PPC stuff is gonna cause problems for the beginners.
I agree that the spam was out of control and I'm not sure pissing people off like that is the best marketing ploy. I guess it must work though - the pimps keep on doing it week in and week out. Sad.
Trent,
Hey my friend - hope all is well.
You actually looked at the sales page... a better man than me! I didn't even know the price till Splork mentioned it! Lol.
Allyn,
It seems many of us have reached the point where tools just don't cut it anymore. As you said the best tool is the gray matter between the ears. Give me Blogger, an hour of peace, a keypad and I can whip up a post that will tell me if my keyword idea has merit - with a few backlinks of course. I've said this before, some of my best keywords have never shown up on a keyword search using the tools.
Loved the vids btw - how's my email subscription coming? ;-)
Hey Dave,
I am familiar with IBP - the Cadillac of SEO tools. It's used by the SEO experts to produce reams of fancy looking reports to hand over to clients in order to make them think they got their money's worth. Impressive as all hell and just as useless... lol
Thanks for the props but next time a friend asks what to buy next tell him to send me money in advance and when I think of something to sell he can get his free! ;-)
(Thanks Dave - I saw your comment at Lissie's - a true gent)
Simonne - me too. I finally wrote and told them I had the damn software already so save a few virtual trees and quit sending more spam. I'm still getting crap from the brother Matt re: VRE or whatever that dog was called.
(Hey - quick post - do you get the feeling you're the only one who understands the game... lol )
Cas,
I hate to plead forgiveness but I just don't have the time to review all the sites people ask me to look at. Hopefully some of the gang can spare a few moments and give you a hand. I am sorry I can't do it myself at this time.
Brawnydt,
If you do pull it off please let me know. It's one of those ideas that sounds good on paper but rarely works in real life. Good luck.
@Splork
I have been reading your bullshit for the past month here and to be honest not really paid much attention cuz of your noobness but I will tell you right now you fucking noob let's see who's the bitch here.
I have 50K that says I can out rank you in any keyword on a brand new domain in 30 days! How about them apples mother fucker!
Come on let's see how mcuh you really know about this business you little noob bitch please provide me the opportunity to own your little noob bitch ass!
I am not the one here who used to go to Darren Rowse blog problogger.net/archives/2006/02/14/blogging-forbeginners-2/ and then go back to his blog and make a post on if you are new to this business you need to start by reading Problogger.net or what is it mother fucker you forgot that when you make a post even though you delete it later the track back is still there with the exerpt
"There are so many freakin' free resources hanging on the net that there is no reason to bust out the wallet, Try problogger.net to start if you are a begginer..."
See mother fucker when you where writing that shit back in 2006 I was already making more money then you and you mother! You fucking noob!!
Then now 3 years later you talk shit about Rowse here and in other sites.
You keep taking about the eBay/Fiasco lsiten mother fucking noob there are still BU readers who are making 2k or more from the same sites your noob ass could not make money from. Just cuz you are a fucking noob and by default clueless do not blame me Rowse or Grizz when in 3 years you are doign the same kissing Grizz as now to talk shit about him later as history has proven.
But hey bitch time to put up or shut up. Everybody knows who I am every time I go to a conference or expo people see and know who I am time to step up and come and meet your daddy and for that you can make an easy 50K of course you will have to have that same amount somehting I am possitive your noob fucking ass will not have.
Again you got anything to say to me say when and where mother fucker I do not talk shit and hide behind a domain proxy. As your mother for the 50k and will see how good you are ;)
Thanks for the great review Griz! I was thinking of buying KE2 since I sort of trust them but no more!
I'm intruiged by the 10,000 unique content strategy. Where do you post those content? Ezine?
Hey Carla,
I hate to say this but a $100 credit won't get you far - just far enough for G to suck another couple of hundred out of the credit card before you call it a wrap. I used to piss away $250 a day just testing keywords trying to find the money makers. After a $1000 bucks I would get a winner only to find that my landing page sucked and didn't convert and I could go on...
PPC works great if you first and foremost have a product that you know will convert, know exactly what keywords will deliver a buyer and can get the bid at a price that will allow you to profit. This sounds simple enough but isn't in practice. I don't want to dissuade you if you just have to give it a try but I don't recommend it.
Having said that Chris (the first commenter) is a PPC coach and maybe you can swing a little dialogue with him. Just make sure you have something that can convert and a well optimized landing page. You want specific keywords targeting a very specific visitor - no general niche keywords. If you chew through the $100 and haven't found a converting keyword - quit!
Good luck Carla and if anyone has the experience with PPC then please give her a hand. I would greatly appreciate it.
Tracey... apparently you have managed to keep your email secluded and far from the list pimps! Congrats as that is a true feat in this day and age. :-)
Great, now after that rant by Vic your "authority site" is going to rank for a whole new bunch of words!
Lissie,
The nerve of me! lol
Another vote for Samurai it is - Australian huh? I guess it only runs keywords like Gazumped then? Does it work on "real" English as well? hehe
Ya' know I love ya' ;-)
Dino... you don't suck. I'm just awesome that's all! lol
Just shows you the power of an authority site and why you all need one. Keep working you'll get there.
Rhys,
The free up grade that costs $197 is leaving a bitter pill in more than a few mouths it seems. It will be interesting to see if there is fallout from that - he certainly isn't getting the support of this group of KE1 owners.
Costa,
Nice to hear from you. You caught the spam overtones as well I see. Apparently he prefers to market to noobs. A bit short sighted I think.
Thanks Sue - that's the first negative regarding Samurai - well aside from it being Australian... (Kidding - I forgot you upside downers are all awake now!) hehe
Dirk,
That "someone" sounds like a genius. :-)
Good luck with that mammoth post - let me know how it turns out.
Hey Venkat - long time and thanks for the kind words. Most people just say I make them waste hours reading all my crap! Hope all is good.
Oh hi Vic. What brings you by this late at night? :-)
Nice weather this time of year huh?
Great interview with Al!
Well I gotta run - seems like a shit storm is brewing...
lol....
Hi Griz,
Thanks a million for the PPC heads-up and for asking people to help me. Jim from Advertraction was kind enough to give me some very detailed instructions that should cut the learning curve considerably.
Believe me, I'm not going to go off the deep end with this. I just thought it would be interesting to try it. At the very least it'll let me see how the other half lives.
And wow, that rant was like a shit storm inside a wind tunnel. Gotta run; I need to go wash out my eyes with soap. ;-)
Paola,
Ezine? Not a chance. I wouldn't waste my time building their site with my content. I write big on my sites and crap on the article sites.
Sam... words that I haven't ranked for before. Hmmm I wonder if there is money to be made from them... :-)
Carla,
Good - glad to hear you've got help. Didn't want you wandering in there alone.
"Gotta run; I need to go wash out my eyes with soap"... hahahaha
I spent some money a while back and invested in a tool called Micro niche finder. It looks like it pulls info from G and Microsoft. It provides your basic number of searches per month, OCI, Strength of Competition (SOC) and a couple of other metrics. Seems to work pretty well...and it cost a whopping $47. I have already made my money back.
I used Market Samurai for a while, but I am not sure that the data they provide is accurate. I have several sites that are ranked #1 in the SERPs, but MS doesn't list them in their results. Not sure why...maybe it is a data center issue.
Not buying any more tools. I like working on the cheap...more profit :)
Any of y'all located in Banja Luka, Bosnia? On my way over there for three weeks.
Cheers.
Hi Griz, "I write big on my sites and crap on the article sites." What I look for in your blogs is these type of gems in your long posts and comments (your comments are as educating as your posts) which make me think and change my course always towards better results.......no more 300-word posts. I seldom comment on your blogs because I am still a learner unlike most of your readers. After continuously listening to and typing for about 8 to 10 hours/day as a transcriptionist, it is rather hard for me to maintain the energy and write.
Venkat
Great post as usual, Grizz!
Now I know what to do with those 762 Keyword Elite v2.0 sales pitches I received from all these sincere expert IMer's who are only interested in helping 'me' to build a wildly successful online business.
Just kidding. I probably received close to that number of flogs about KE2.0, but I didn't buy the first one and I had no interest in this one either.
Boy howdy what a post and what a comment thread. The Callen brothers must be using an old email of mine 'cuz this is the first I have heard of them not honoring the free lifetime upgrade. Oh, maybe they meant the lifetime of version 1.0, not MY lifetime? The snakes!
I stopped using keyword elite when google offered us their free adwords tool. I only use SEO elite to check for anchored links of competitors. That is the one thing I find useful.
Lissie rolls up deckchair, pours cold one and awaits intersting approaching shite storm! It appears that Grizzs are wimpy bears after all...
RE Market Samurai and accuracy - I run it in Australia and like using it for competition analysis cause short of running proxies (which my steam powered old laptop used to barf at, but I have a new one today so who knows) I was always nervous that I was getting localised results (and no Australians do not buy online - clueless noobs) From what I've seen - and for the stuff that I watch closely (ie the 1.5 keywords I rank for) I generally cross check between MS and seoelite and they appear accurate -give or take 12 hours. In both cases I believe the software is running on a cached copy of the google results so if the serps a dynamic it will lag - but thats rare in my fields.
BTW if you sign up to ed dales 30 day challenge (no I dont know if its any good but its free) you get like a 2 month free trial of MS - even otherwise its a 2 week fre trial - they are releasing a ton of stuff at the moment and have
consistently said that the price will go to $497
when its all done (currently still $147 I think)
Of to check gazumping now ...
Grizz,
Are you sure you are not Matt from G? coz what you are saying now is exactly what he keeps saying.
About Authority and Relevancy.
:p
Hey Griz,
I wonder if the $197 KWv2 would have found my paella KW has so much traffic lol?
I've tripped over a few good KWs lately through long posts of my own in other niches that are bringing in some very nice coin, although I wouldn't have found them if I hadn't used Google's free tool to find other KWs that prompted me to write the posts in the first place.
So even though it may be heavily flawed, that KW tool is still a very useful thing to use as a starting block to finding other, sometimes better KWs. When you have a free tool like that, why spend good money just to make Callen richer? I do just fine without it.
@Vic good to hear you man. The written word was getting so boring lately nice to hear it spiced up with them's fightin' words LMAO! Never knew splork pissed you off so much.
Grizzly,
No need for apologies, I posted here to see if any of your *lovely* readers who know a bit more than I do, could help me. I have made a whopping 67 cents so far, so anyone who has made more than that is qualified to offer me advice! Contact info is on my blog :)
Thanks again,
Cas
Thanks for the comment Griz, it's cool to hear directly from the "master". I think you may have misunderstood me though, or atleast I might have misunderstood your response. Are you saying that you could produce a quality link now, or when you were just starting off. I have no doubt you can produce one easily at this point in time. The problem I see for people starting off now is that if you have no authority site and make a post or write an article on an article site, once you get your site or blog ranking somewhat well with those articles, a spammer will steal them and spin them and throw them up on like 25 authority sites higher than the article site their article is on. I've seen this result in the drop of serps ranking and pages/articles slowly being removed from the index. This looks as though the articles links are also removed from counting towards the original writer's blog/site. I am not saying you need these tools for longterm gain, I don't use any of them. What I am saying is that they are extremely hard to fight against in some instances if you don't already have authority.
Although I did read back on your site and found a post that said writing articles will not be enough alone to get you to the top ranking.
If i'm not being clear enough, I can give you an example. Someone person new with no authority goes and writes articles on articleblast,smasharticles,goarticles in order to get a few backlinks. Those articles will get spun and thrown on to a site like ezines or a higher authority site by a spammer. The backlinks from the articles of the original author end up no longer counting, because of those spun ones by the spammer are on the higher authority sites.
I'm guessing the only way to combat that would be to get even higher authority sites(or a higher number of authority sites) to link to those articles whose links have been discounted.
Am I making sense or has my brain gone all fried from overanalyzing this thing? Thanks for the initial response. Sometimes I regularly go back and reread your sites, because they usually end up having the answers in them. Sometimes the answers are in the comments if not the post itself.
hello.............
well me first time here comenting....
i read the post and really get some knowledge... keep it up man
regards
Not sure how effective it is - I've tried it but haven't done much as far as testing it, but still thought I'd note there's a free tool for that Microsoft Online Commercial Intention (MS OCI) you mention - (hope you don't mind the link) http://adlab.microsoft.com/Online-Commercial-Intention
Wish I could offer more as to how effective it is, because as I mentioned I've only tried it a few times and I don't know where they get their info from, but at least there's another freebie tool out there...
Also, do you know any places that really show you how to build quality landing pages (or buy templates/scripts)? I've done some searching, but thought I'd ask here...
-Faith
@ cas
just 2 things
i dont see a link to your privacy policy
and griz has always said to never put adsense on a new blog. you must first get a consistent 100 visitors a day. but he also said he was going to do an update. other than that your site looks great. just work on back links.
-antoine
Regarding Google keyword tool. I recall sometime back someone (I think it was you Griz) pointing out a major discrepancy between Wordtracker and Google keyword tool.
Google keyword tool gives MONTHLY traffic, not daily traffic. Divide by 30 to compare with daily traffic estimators.
(Accidentally posted this tip on the wrong post last night.)
Thanks for the feedback ant. I will be sure to add my privacy policy when I get home (at the dreaded 9to5 at the moment). Also, I could be wrong but I thought Grizzly said in a later post to actually put adsense on right away? Maybe I am mistaken, I will take it off if that is what's best!
Cas
Hi Grizz I think you opened the flood gates on this one.
I am one of the people that did buy Keyword Elite 2.0. Previously to this I used the google adwords tool and it worked fairly well for me. I have not used many other keyword tools so I don't have much to compare to.
I have only scratched the surface of KE 2.0 but it has found longtails that google adword tool was not giving me and ones I wouldn't normally generate out of my head. Both are bonuses for me.
I agree that people can get into trouble with ppc. But if people step into it with their eyes open like Carla that it may work well for some people. I am certainly still learning in this area.
So at this point I am still trying out KE 2.0 but have found some things I like about it. Would I recommend people drop the money for it? Certainly not if you weren't making that kind of money already and could afford to give it up.
It does give you two months to test it and if you don't find it useful just return it.
As I said only having it for a few days I have not fully tested it and not having any other paid tools to compare to my opinion may be a bit biased.
Hope this helps anyone looking at it.
Oh yes I didn't like the spam leading up to it at all.
David
I don't need keyword Elite v20.
So I won't be buying it.
I've used PPC but only to promote my own small paysite. It was worth it to begin with, but not so good long term as other methods.
The kind of affiliate sales I do can benefit from PPC, but google f***ks you over big time after a while.
Not worth it.
Now why would Vic be so worried about Splork's comments that he resorts to name calling and digging up things from 3 years ago?
Did he hit a nerve?
Zania
Thanks for the update Grizz.
The only reason I kept Brad Callens on my email for for hopes on upgrade to SEO Elite. Fat chance of that!
I'll stay with the free keyword tools. Combine this with the free statcounter, I manage to find different keywords.
Does anyone have any FREE tools or methods for looking at the competitors backlinks? Thanks for your help!
hello griz,
i was waiting to see your response on KWE 2.0, i am relived to see not much in that. yes i was spammed by the two brothers too and was wondering why a good piece of software requires these spammy tactics. now i know why.
I wanted to buy it as they are giving away ESEO with the deal.
anyways, regarding spun articles submission on articledashboard, article directories, there are around 700 of them. i bought this spun article submitter and it's been 2 weeks that i submitted spun articles on those directories through software but havent seen any of them indexed yet as backlinks.
well Vic shitty storm: i think vic is somewhat right in being so mad.
yes one thing i want to ask Griz if you can answer it here.
you have told in your one of older posts 'how to find .ord and .edu blogs with dofollow '
i just cant locate it can you tell the url or just tell the search query.
require it for one of my experiments.
thanks
I have a question. If I could buy any one product that would help me make money online what would you suggest? I have thought about SEO elite, market samurai, Bookmarking demon, or article marketer, or even connect content. What would you all suggest?
I like tools and I use them. I like to buy tools that automate redundant task. A few I have were very expensive but they work.
The KW Elite tool has a couple nice features but it might be overpriced. The "spy on competitors" component is total bullshit. All of the Spy softwares are designed to part noobs from their money. There are a few that can save you time but at the end of the day several PPC factors have to allign to turn a profit (and sometimes the profit is impossible like if a company is branding) Even if KW Elite could show you competitor keywords that are apparently converting it would not help a noob. There are way too many PPC landmines.
One thing about KW Elite 2.0 that I like is the one that identifies Adsense Sites, but I already had a script for that and I use the shit out of it. Since I advertise on the content network it is a lifesaver, Especially when you are in a massive niche like weddings with over 10000 keyword phrases and hundreds of different sites ranking for different keywords. You can imagine the time savings as well as money. Furthermore, Googles definition of relevant is way different than
mine. My definition is websites where the traffic is full of bitches with daddies credit card looking to blow it on the big day:) Googles definition (and ad placement) would bankrupt me. Anyway, it is a huge help in finding the $$ sites.
A little tip before I go get the popcorn and beer and enjoy the shitstorm approaching. Tip; the content network is a juicy place for certain niches that you can cross sale to. Like weddings; daddies little girl needs a wedding dress but she also needs shoes, stationary, cake, brides gifts and of course the strap on dildo for the wedding night. You can't work that angle in "search" cuz Google will slap your campaign. Ok That's actually a big tip, let that swirl in you guys head a bit, you guys will figure it out.
ok shitstorm approaches...popcorn ,mon mon mon mon mon
bk
@Zamia
Maybe instead of worry about me you should worry about you since I hae your whole network on a spread shit this is what happens when you fuck with real intenrnet marketters and not noobs how about I strike your neve ;)
And Google really and i mean really does not like people working porn like you do and when they farm ro get the links they like you least, so please make my day and come back with another real deep comment on me and my worries.
By the way I love having fucking noobs like you and SPlork talk shit cuz you are so easy to tarck down in took me 3 minutes to finds tons and tons of shit with Splork and it to me 5 minutes to track down almost all your sites and hey if you want to test me please do so as you will see how your whole fucking income goes to shit plese jump in the pond do that for me ;)
@Zania
BTW: Kind of forgot to mention I can do the same thing with you since it seems you also forgot the shit you have written in the past. I have the comments left at PB and how you where sucking his dick there and then come back to my site and suck my dick you noob whores really need to get consistent please chose one dick to suck and just gag on that one.
DinoEntrails,
I would recommend an aged domain on a niche you know you can dominate. Most of the tools are just hype.
Something like 20-25% of all keyword searches have never been searched before. Ever. No wonder keyword research tools are useless. A full quarter of the data doesn't even exist yet.
@Cas
You don't want to put adsense on right away. You need to have the adsense bots crawl your site and know what your keywords are for triggering the adsense that you are going to get payed for. If you put adsense on right away you will price yourself on the lower end.
@Dino
Go with Market Samuarai, download the free trail and if you don't like it you get to still keep the keyword tool and it's free. I have all of the tools in the list and Callan has not updated SEO elite in forever and msn doesn't work.
If I could only have one tool it would be market samuarai, you need to know how hard it is to take a niche and it can do that. Google Adwords is a great free tool for keywords too.
Oh ya, Griz,screw the Callan's we should have got the upgrade for KE V1!
Griz, I liked your reply to Chetty Bear about MMO blogs. I have one that I set up ages ago, and I haven't really done anything with it, partly because the MMO niche doesn't interest me that much, and partly because I'm not making a lot myself yet, so I don't want to be one of those 'blind leading the blind' make money bloggers who just regurgitate what they've learned elsewhere, but don't really know what they're talking about. But I'd like to get a bit more involved here, so now I think I'll just use it to write some genuine reviews of the few IM books/products that I've tried, build a bit of authority, and eventually use it to give out some links to others, as you suggest. I'll be interested to read your post on authority sites.
Hehehe. I go here to learn - and what do you know?
I get entertained too. lol.
The Godfather and Scareface were my favorite movies. hehe.
The lead guys were really bad ass.
Anyway, I checked G and you are not ranking for the keyword Shitstorm yet. Atleast in my datacenter.
I guess I need to send you more backlinks.
lol. Just kidding.
I hope everybody lightens up soon.
LMAO Vic!
It did strike a nerve.
I have no doubt you are a good internet marketer.
So I'll tell you what.
You work with me on making a legal independent tube site which actually PROFITS (rather than just sending traffic or making the odd sale to AFF) and I'll believe you are the best internet marketer in the business.
In fact, I'll go as far as to set up a site saying you are the best, and give you a prime ad spot on the tube.
Until then, each to his/her own.
Hi Griz,
Thanks on your unbiased review about Keyword Elite v2.0 and also on other keywords research and estimate tools, I almost buy the first one (KEv2.0), no thanks on Brad Callen spam attack on my email.
But after reading your fair opinion, I think I just stick on Google's Keyword tool. I found it very useful even though it's not that accurate... but it's free. =)
Again, thanks!
Ariston
Griz,
Why do leave Vic's vulgar comments still in print in this Section.
That is just ridicolous. I dont gives a rats behind how helpful this guy is with Newbies and how much he cares about helping newbies. It all gets lost in his immature and offensive and childish diatribe !
Enough of this immature little twit.
Word of advice to Vic, if I ever saw you at a Convention and you talked this crap in front of my Wife I would KNOCK you block off.
I am freaking dead serious buddy !!
I say enough of this. Hey Vic, maybe your wife has been assaulted with this verbal abuse but DO NOT think that other Women or Men for that matter will accept this type of silly nonsense from you.
One day it will bite you in the arse, buddy
@Lonnie
LMAO!!! OMG now I am so worried! Dude you are so brave you leave no url LMAO!!!! Look pussy I will be at the next PubCon how about if we do this how aout you leave another commnent this time you leave a URL and you make a post directed at me in your site with your picture and we hook up at PubCon and will see if you man up. Of course this comment is futile since pussys like you leave comments and the do the pussy thing like you did which was just put a common name or just do it anonymous. Like I said pussy boy I will be at the next PubCon ask your wife to see if she will let you go and you can say the shit in my face LMAO!!!!
Wow, guys. Such an intricate and elaborate execution of a plan to give Griz authority on more KWs and to give The BierVlogger more material for his guru series.
Love you all!
-JL Palmetto
Here's a general comment that all might want to think of regarding tools. Can you build birdhouses, one at a time, for a living, with a hammer and a handsaw?
If so, then, and only then would it make sense to shop for an expensive table saw, or whatever your dream tool is. But if building birdhouses bores you, or your birdhouses are crap and no one buys them, then the best electric saw in the world ain't going to make you Norm Abrams.
The truth so many don't want to face up to is, MMO, no matter what the method or tools is w-o-r-k. You have to put in the time, and if you can't dig a straight ditch with a shovel, you will just make a bigger mess faster if you rent a backhoe, thinking that will do the work for you ... or so Dave opines.
@ Dave,
Great analogy!
Sorry to be off topic a little Grizz but I am looking for a little advice from you or anyone else.
OK. I have a site that gets 500 or so visitors a day. Yesterday I was getting some crazy traffic. Now, for a certain term I am no 2 in google. It only brings in a few people a day. Yesterday it brought in 5000 people! Yep 5K plus.
The mind boggling thing is it was all from Bing. The term simply is not searched for much and my stats sent me to the Bing search engine saying the traffic was coming from there. I wasn't even there though.
Nowhere to be seen for my term or anything else. I looked back pages throughout the day but I absolutely was not to be seen.
Now, considering I made well over $100 from the traffic and it is totally rubbish for converting normally I would love to know how this happened.
Any ideas anyone? I certainly wouldn't mind a bit more of it.
Thanks for the post, was useful, I was thinking about getting it, but after reading the post and comments I think I'll be passing on it.
I would really love to see you outrank that term Keyword Elite version 2.0. That could save a lot of people's moneys. I despise these people a lot flooding these offers.
Sorry, I may appear as Admin here, I'm just too lazy to sign out of my blogger account.
Popcorn anyone? Popcorn here, anyone?
:D
it seems like this blog's ranking dropped and John Chow is just behind this blog. revenge? maybe after this, Darren will come too? so, what to do now, Grizzzz...?? hehe
It always amazes me how popular certain "A-List" bloggers are despite continuously shoving promotional material our throats day after day.
Thanks goes to the honest and useful posters out there, you know who you are :)
Hi Grizz,
Thank you for reviews.
It all says once again that there is no short cut to earn money online.
1.Content creation with targeted keywords.
2.Back links developing to that key words.
3.Waiting for better SERP's .
Works well as being said many times in this wonderful blog.
Way too expensive. In my opinion is product is for lazy people who aren't ready to get their fingers dirty with free tools like Google Traffic Estimator and Keyword Tool External. I wonder why people buy products as expensive as this only to find out that they never needed it in the first place and still they don't ask for refunds.
Yeah there are some better programs out there. I have had some success with it, but I think now its better to look elsewhere. Thanks for the honest review, I really appreciated reading it.
I am fairly new to affiliate marketing but the only platform I use for keyword research is Micro Niche Finder.
It does the job and provides me with the information I need to make an informed decision on which keywords to use and which ones to avoid wasting time on.
I have seen a demonstration of Keyword Elite but the differences are not enough to make me want to give up MNF and switch to KE 2.0
Bit late, but better late then never, I actually wrote up a review / comparison between Keyword Elite 2.0 and Market Samurai as soon as my inbox got floooded with all the sales pitches, guess which one won? The answer is in the link ;-) SY
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