For the past month I have heard people mention HubPages fairly frequently and thought it was about time I acquainted myself with them. My understanding is that these pages could be used as another means of obtaining coveted backlinks and better yet - for free.
As some of you know I am an avid Golfer and one day I noticed a link pointing to my site from a blog called "Lost Ball in High Weeds" which immediately got my attention as I regularly lose golf balls in high weeds. Now I have no idea if the author of the site is a golfer but his name is "Splork" which is exactly the sound my golf balls make when they hit the water hazards. Needless to say - he had me hooked if for no other reason than the golf innuendos. As it turns out he is a very entertaining writer and I enjoy his blog even though, as it further turns out, he doesn't have much to say about golf. A shame but he is forgiven.
The other day Splork was ranting on about hubpages and I thought what better way to avoid doing any work myself than to ask him to write a post about hubpages for this site. I tried to convince him that this was a good idea as it would give him a chance to win over my readers with his charm and even get a link from me but it wasn't until I threatened to sick Vic on him that he relented and agreed.
With out further ado, my first guest poster and possibly a fellow golfer...
HubPages by Splork (The first link will take you to hubpages.com)
I dig Hubpages. I also dig chicks, snowboarding and chocolate chip cookies, but Griz didn't ask me to write a post about those things. He asked me to write about Hubpages. See, recently I have discovered the joys of Hubpages. These little one page wonders are doing very well for me in ranking for targeted keywords in Google. I am also a fan of Squidoo lens. Griz didn't ask me to write about those either, but I thought I'd mention them to give you a frame of reference of what Hubpages are. Squidoo and Hubpages are very similar. Both services allow you to create one-page sites on your topic of interest. You drag and drop modules to make them pretty and interesting. And you make money with both by sharing in the generated revenue.
Yea, I know, enough of the intro. You don't read Griz for fluff. The reason that I like Hubpages is that Google really likes them. They are liked more than Squidoo lens. They are liked more than Blogger blogs. Do I know all this to be fact? Not at all. What I do know is that when I build a keyword targeted hubpage, it is indexed in Google usually within 24 hours. You say, "So what? I can get my site indexed in record time by linking it to my PR 7 site, submitting an article to the 7 million article directories and social bookmarking with the demon.” To that I say, realize I did nothing to achieve this greatness. Nothing. I built a hub. And then moved on and built another. Look, it would be foolish for me to say that you will get instant indexing for every hubpage you build. You won't. But the vast majority of the hubpages I've built have been indexed the next day. I've had people write in to my blog saying they have been experiencing the same thing. It's just a good time to be using Hubpages. Much like it was using Squidoo before they were slapped around by Google.
Now before you start surfing over to Clickbank to arm yourself with codes for building dog training, pc security and ipod accessory hubpages, let me warn you that the service frowns greatly on affiliate links. Moreover, the hubbers are voracious at reporting spammy hubs. Whereas Squidoo encourages you to use their lens for marketing, Hubpages is not playing that game. They do not want to see more than a couple of outbound links going to your site(s) either. You can point to CNN, Yahoo and ESPN all day long. They just don't want you to use Hubpages for blatant promotion of your stuff.
So is it still worth it to build hubpages? I say yes. They are so quick and easy to build. Here is exactly what I do: I have a ton of PLR. I look through and find a topic I'm interested in building a hubpage on. I then take that topic keyword and do my keyword research. Just like Griz teaches here and Court does over there. I take that keyword and build the hupage with it. The URL and title will have that keyword in it. Think about how Griz taught you about building Blogger blogs. It's the same thing. I rip apart a couple PLR articles and highly modify them. The thing with Hubpages is you want to go for originality and length. You know how Griz is always talking about writing long posts? The longer your hubpage the better. You are rewarded with a higher hubpage score for original content and length. By the way, don't go posting unmodified PLR. The militant hubbers have nothing better to do than surf around reading hubs and flagging those that they think are unoriginal or spammy. After the text has been inserted to a few modules, I start adding modules like relevant videos, news, RSS Feeds, Amazon and photos. I wish I could sound more technical, more authoritative, more impressive, like some sort of hubber savant, but that is all there really is to it.
Yes, I'm sure it all sounds like a pain. But it's not. I know you don't want to write and re-write content. That's the game you have to play these days. I can get through a hubpage from keyword research to publish in no more than 30 minutes. The only reason that it takes a little longer is because I am going for a higher hubpage score. I have no idea what that ultimately means but having a hubpage score of 90 seems better than 50. Maybe I'm just competitive. So I spend time making the articles and content sound more like me and less like outsourced material.
Ultimately my goal is to have hundreds of these hubpages. All laser targeted to a specific keyword. I have seen some hubbers with hundreds of hubpages. One guy I came across has over 600. I bet there are folks with over a thousand. But the funny thing is they aren't keyword targeted for anything. I want to create a farm of laser-targeted, keyword-phrase hubpages. I want to cultivate solid pagerank that I can use to my benefit for my so-called "money sites." (Don’t you hate IM speak?) If you search using a medium to long tail keyword I want you to find my hubpage in Google. Simple as that.
The one downside to Hubpages may be this: They may take potential money away from the site you ultimately want to promote. How? If you have a hubpage and niche blog both laser targeted to the same keyword, most likely the hubpage is going to rank higher in the SERPs, all things being equal. In the hubpage you have a link or two pointing to your site. That's groovy. However, the way hubpages are designed, a visitor may be more likely to click on the Adsense than your link. Hubpages are almost perfect for Adsense.
That isn't bad but you aren't getting a full Adsense payout. It's rev sharing. In case you were wondering, Hubpages payout is more than Squidoo. I doubt anyone believes they will get rich with either hubpages or lens but the extra cash is kind of nice. I've found for Squidoo, the more lens you build the more money you generate overall. Seems obvious, I know, but when people find your lens and like it they tend to keep surfing through your other lens. I have no reason to doubt it won't be the same with Hubpages. But I'd still rather some dude click to my site and buy my affiliate product any day over an Adsense click.
One nice benefit of building hubpages, or even lens, is it gives you a quick and easy way to determine if the niche you are focused on is actually worth your time. If I build a hubpage and can't get ranked, or get ranked but receive no visitors, then I'm not going to bother building a blog or website. Some people use PPC to determine the value of a niche. Too rich for me. I prefer to use organic search and hubpages and lens.
So you want proof of the goodness of Hubpages? Sorry. Can't help you there. It's too easy for people to flag hubpages, lens and Blogger blogs. I don't need the hassle. Anyway, it's free. There is nothing to buy. If it works for you, great. If it doesn't, then you've lost a few hours giving something new a try. I bet you wasted more time figuring out the garbage that is iTunes than you will on Hubpages. But my guess is you will like building hubpages.
The bottom line is this: Hubpages are too easy to build and too valuable to Google for you to ignore them right now. Hard to say how long Hubpages will be a Google darling, but it seems like they are taking the necessary precautions to stay on big G's good side. Time is precious. Court has you keyword sniping. Griz has you building blogs. Vic has you building BANS. I think you need to carve out enough time to build a couple hubpages every day. Again, they are easy and simple. I think the value of having numerous Hubpages could be worth it. I take notice if Google likes something. Google likes Hubpages.
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Thanks Splork and folks please stop in and visit him at Lost Ball in High Weeds even if he isn't a golfer.
Griz
Note:
Another Hubber has come to my attention and she has an excellent article on how to use hubpages. You can read Lissie's article on her Hubpage; "HubPages for Internet Marketing"
Update: A little word about SEO
One of the nice things about having PR is that Google tends to crawl your site fairly often and I usually get new posts indexed quickly. Todays post showed up in the serp's about 10 minutes after I posted it. Within the first half hour I have already had visitors to the site who were searching for info on hubpages. See the screenshots below...
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I am showing you this to remind you of a few things - if you write long articles and use lots of terms there is no telling what type of term someone will find you with in the search engines (make hubpages with blogger - ??) and if we forget that I am already ranking high for these terms I would now write a follow up post targeting the term "How to build a Hubpage" and concentrate on getting links for it. This term is likely to bring in some traffic in future as Hubpages become more widely known.
This is what I mean by paying attention to the long tails in your stats. They will tell you what type of keywords you might want to target in relation to your main terms.
Also note that there is little competition in the serp's but 2 queries in half an hour tells me that there may be interest in this topic. This is how you can inadvertently come across a niche that others aren't targeting and perhaps make a few bucks from it. Anyone care to outrank me? Maybe use a hubpage to do it...
Saturday, April 5, 2008
What are Hubpages?
Labels: backlinks, Google Indexing, How to build a Hubpage, Hubpages
Project Payday - A Legit Method to Make Money at Home
I have included Project Payday on my blog for all of my readers who write in asking if there are any legit online programs that they can use to make some quick money. Project Payday is not a get rich quick scheme - it is more like a work at home job. You don't need a blog or website as it involves getting paid to try out trial offers from online advertisers. There is work to this but you can realistically earn a couple of hundred dollars a day if you want to put in the effort.
I have written several posts about this and suggest you start with this one. Project Payday
Unfortunately Project Payday is only available to American users at this time. Their sister program is still available to users in the US, Canada, UK and Australia. (free to join as well) Affiliate Income Partners
CashCrate is another similar program (you get paid to take trial offers for products, services or completing online surveys etc.) Cashcrate does accept people world wide and they have a decent selection for Canadian and UK residents. If you are American then you will benefit the most as you have the most offers to choose from. Btw - it's free to join.
For comparative purposes the stats below reflect my actual earnings with Cashcrate.
A Little Heart to Heart
You have probably figured out by now that you aren't going to find the answer in a $47 ebook or by following your favorite twit on twitter. The fact is many of you are still wondering how this plain free hosted Blogger blog dominates the rankings on the search engines - right? Did you find this site by typing in "make money online" in Google?
If you did then you are halfway to learning the secret to making money online - you need targeted traffic from the search engines (for any niche you pick) and once you have that, you can sell them what they are looking for. Sounds simple and on paper it is - actually dominating the search engines is the hard part. It takes time and you do need to understand keywords and anchor text links. You can spend time on this site and sift through my posts to learn this or you can do yourself a favor and pony up one buck and test drive Court's Keyword Academy Crash Course for a month and learn just why I rank number 1 in the search engines.
This isn't another waste of money or time - just an honest answer for the few of you willing to do the work and who really do want to make a long term sustainable living online. Read my blog from back to front or try a more focused approach with Court - either way you will not be disappointed.
Cheers
Griz
How to Contact Me
If you need help with anything discussed in these pages don't be afraid to email me with your questions. I won't spam you and I will answer you directly or in a future post. I will never share your email.Period.
You can send your questions to Grizzly
Update - March 2009
Please note that I am getting more email than I can keep up with so if you need an answer fast please use the comments section. You will receive an answer by me or one of my readers in short order. Thanks. Griz
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123 comments:
Griz & Splork (great name!) thanks for the info. Haven't really heard of HubPages before reading this post, now I think I need to get busy using them.
Thom
Thom,
I would definitely give this a shot especially all of you who are looking for ways to get targeted backlinks. The other bonus is if G likes these pages then it is a quick way to get your blogs indexed by having the pass through links.
snap, dude...except no link to hubpages building site? i guess i'll ask the big G.
Actually Jack the link to Hubpages.com is in the Header for Splork's post.
Hubpages (link to hubpages) by Splork (link to his about page)
I guess I should have made that more obvious - my bad.
Great info on Hubpages. I have signed up a few months ago, built one and haven't been back...guess I need to try and remember my login!
Hey Griz, you have said that when you build blogger sites, you have several usernames/identities that you use. Do you use Adsense on all of the accounts? WOuldn't blogger/G see this and know that one person has multiple blogger accounts?
Elliott
I was messing with hubpages the other day after I saw several showing up in the Idol contest searches. They do seem very easy to build and I'll probably work on a few to try them out. Only down fall is that revenue share stuff :) I'm greedy want it all.
No prob. found it. I'd like some advice though. I just built my first page, and I wrote what I thought was a pretty long article, but I only got a 48 score. Can anybody tell me what's wrong with it?
http://hubpages.com/hub/Google-Free-Hosting
And I only have one outbound link.
good stuff here
you talked in an earlier post about:
"For all of you who are busy trying to outrank my Asia'h blog and want to take home the $500 I suggest you join in on the forum discussion as that is where I will explain what I have done and how you can do it too..."
what forum?
oops! i saw my answer at the end of the post
forum coming soon
Elliott,
or do yo prefer Gumbi? :-)
They would if that was a concern of theirs (G) but as long as people are creating legit sites they really don't seem to care. I don't believe that they have ever said people can't have as many sites as they want. Blogger doesn't care either but they are both wary about spam farms and crappy sites and putting to many blogs on one account in blogger is one of the flags they look for - most spammers are too lazy to create a bunch of accounts and tend to try and put all their bogs on one.
Google knows that their top adsense earners have lots and lots of sites and as long as they follow the TOS and don't rip the advertisers off there isn't a problem.
Btw - I don't use adsense on all my accounts and separate user names/identities is useful for building sites that might constitute a farm of sorts without tipping anyone off - wink wink.
Gotafish,
I'm gonna have to find the time and give these a whirl myself. I hate sharing too but these have other advantages so I don't think they should be looked at as an income stream but hey... every little bit helps.
Jack,
I think I'll let Splork handle that if he is trolling around. (I really gotta ask him how he came up with that name LMAO)
Anonymous,
If you want to join in the forum when it's ready please send me an email with "BS and LV" in the subject line. We aren't publicizing it openly - invite only.
Thanks
Interesting post. I will have to aquaint myself with hubpages. Per your last comment. No sunburn... No peeling,and atleast you have a snowblower on your Deere. As far as it being cold .. You showed us pictures of your place.. Sorry.. I don't feel sorry for you.. LOL.. there has to be a downside to something. ;o)
Oh yeah.. isn't splork.. the nick name for the spook & fork combo. The plastic utensils you get at a fast food joint?? lol.. I still like the name
Dennis,
On the upside there aren't many fast food joints in this neck of the woods so I can be forgiven for not knowing the spoon/fork thingy - I still think that it's the exact sound a golf ball makes as it hits the water. Followed by awwwww fu....
Hope the post was helpful for everybody.
Hey Jack, there isn't a thing wrong with your hub. Build a few more and in a few days you'll probably see your first one sitting up around the mid to upper 60's at least. Just keep building. You won't get a top score after only a few hours. You drive some traffic to it and it will do even better. Don't expect every hubpage to have a great score. Even the best hubbers sit around 70 for the most part. Right now I've got hubpages ranging from 65-84. No great shakes by any means. As I write this the "Hot Hubs" are all basically mid 80's. I don't worry so much about hub ranking as I do getting indexed in Google.
Anyway, just build, build and build some more. They will simmer and age and do you a world of good a month away. Most will be indexed. Some won't. And you can go back and use the ones that do to link out to your sites or whatever.
I mentioned that most of the hubs I build are readily indexed in Google. That is mostly the case but not always. It is not a bad idea to do whatever magic, to get Google to spider and index the hubpage, that you normally do. It can't hurt and if you choose your keyword phrase well you should get a top ranking pretty quick.
Thanks for reading.
You mentioned that if you wanted to rank for the new keyword showing up in your logs you could write a post about it. Could you also add a paragraph to the original article and specifically put the keyphrase in bold? ;)
I learn as much by watching what you do as by reading what you teach.
Thanks Griz.
Grizz,
need HELP!!!
Yesterday my newly created blog showed up in a google search.
Today I checked and it's not there.
I was obviouly premature in my excitment in getting indexed so quickly. What could have happened here?
Thanks for the advice!
Steve
Thanks Splork.
BTW Griz, actually, spoon and fork is SPORK, not spLork. You're probably right about it being the sound of the golf ball.....
I have no idea where I came up with splork. It's just a term I came up with years ago (back when newsgroups were cool) when I was thinking up a username.
Sorry, I'm no golfer. Although in keeping with the finest IM traditions I have numerous golf niche sites from golf swing to golf clubs that I fraudulently claim expertise for.
great post splork (and grizzly from bringing splork to us). I tried and use squidoo pages, it gives me some money every month, and i get some visits from google, but specially from yahoo and msn. Individually my lenses are not anything special, but in group, they've a good amount of traffic.
Hubpages i haven't tried yet. I begin today, after reading this post, and my first hub is on the road now :) One thing i noticed, is that hubpages are like squidoo, you have to add yourself as a fan to as many hub users as you can. I did this, and 4 hours after released the first hub, i had 68 visits, 10 comments, and hub ranking of 68.
Hubpages it's like squidoo, socializing with other members it's very important for the success of your hubs (and lenses).
Steve,
Its not uncommon for new blogs to get indexed in one or two days and then disappear for a week or so. Be patient it should come back.
Lately the norm for my blogs have been 1-2 day initial index then it disappears and comes back in 7-14 days. I have noticed the more I post on it the quicker it seems to come back.
We love it when credible people tell others about HubPages. So, thank you.
There were a few comments I'll try to address. HubScore has many components, but one is sources of traffic. If you are a new author/hubber, getting a few different sources of traffic will help your score and get your Hubs promoted more widely across our tag pages. We order the best section by HubScore.
I noticed that one of your readers picked up on becoming fans of others and leaving comments. HubPages is a community. The more you interact by doing these things will increase your score and by publishing frequently and participating in the forums will help your HubScore as well.
Thanks again for the informative post on HubPages.
Best,
Paul Edmondson
CEO
Hi,
Hubpages work great for me. I have been using for a while, making one here and there for backlinks. You can also make a few cents by sending people to your hubs. Aside from the
Nice post Splork - thanks Griz for that!
I've got one solitary hub page that I made a while ago and did nothing with. I wasn't sure if they were even as useful as lenses, which have become less useful as they get diluted with users.
As for the social thing and getting hub pages or lenses ranked internally, its ok to make a few bucks from their pooled revenue but won't make a hoot of difference to the SEs. Same as social networking won't earn you a dime from many visits in the real world. Its all about ranking in the SEs and getting traffic.
I've got some lenses that sit on page one in Yahoo and get traffic, but rank lousy in squidoo. My top ranking lenses are nowhere in the SEs.
That's why I wasn't too excited about hub pages as a source of authority backlinks. Now I know different. If they can get indexed fast and then send along juice to my sites, then its worth the effort to set some more up.
I'll be building some new hubs too...
Greg,
Now why didn't I think of that?
Ha...
You catch on fast. I have mentioned that one of the best SEO techniques is to re-edit posts after the fact. Go back and add terms and paragraphs or even change the post titles if need be.
The thing about having a lot of content is that it will help you find the more popular keywords or search phrases as shown in the example above.
If you do decide to target a niche like Hubpages then always write a second article and link the two together. This will get you double indexing as well as add authority to your site as a whole in regards to the subject matter. If it produces some traffic then write more posts targeting more long tails and link them together as well. This is basic SEO and is how you can get top ranking in less competitive niches without having much in the way of backlinks. If you don't make it to the top of the serp's then get targeted backlinks and the niche will be yours.
Nicely done Greg - glad to see you pay attention. :-)
Steve,
Gotafish is dead on the money in his reply to you. Don't panic, keep posting good content and have patience - you will reappear. Take this as a good sign - Google has found you and you are in the system - they just need to sort you out.
This is completely normal for new sites.
Jack and Splork,
I agree with Jack and prefer the Golf ball answer...
Sorry Splork - your answer has been out voted as it isn't nearly as good as mine even if it's the truth! lol
Dinheiro,
Thanks for the tips and according to Paul the CEO - you are right. Nicely done.
Gotafish,
Right you are and thanks for jumping in. Much appreciated.
Paul,
Thanks for clarifying your system for us.
Should you happen to follow the comments perhaps I will put you on the spot and ask how you feel about us using hubpages for help in providing backlinks and indexing to other sites.
You obviously realize that this is being done and from our perspective (SEO) it is one of the allures of your pages.
Is this something that you could clarify as to what is and isn't acceptable from your point of view?
Is there a way in which all sides can benefit without turning Hubpages into a spam filled Squidoo. This will benefit no one in the end so perhaps an up front discussion of this topic would be useful for all of us.
I appreciate you dropping in and would love to hear your thoughts on this matter.
Thanks Paul.
Gus,
Thanks for your input. Sorry you seem to have been cut off but like you, the consensus seems pretty positive regarding hubpages.
Thanks Terry,
You make some good points and I hope Paul takes the time to discuss the questions put to him. We are, after all, search engine oriented and if a system can't aid in our efforts it isn't of much use. Hubpages appear to be useful as both a social and search tool. It would be nice to know what the guidelines are right up front.
How cool is it that the CEO came by to offer his comments? Man I'm going to take those suggestions and run hard with them. What I did/do with Squidoo is drive any traffic to those lens. It always helped my lensrank. It didn't seem to matter the source of the traffic just as long as traffic was visiting. Sounds like it's the same with hubpages so I guess I'll do the same to them. Google probably takes notice of those hubs that rank high in Hubscore. So I guess it's time to step up and get higher scores and not just sit on mediocrity and a simple Google index.
This is good stuff.
And you cannot assign "splork" to the sound a golf ball makes.
Griz,
I know this is off topic but thought I'd bring it up before there were any hard feeling. In quest to play the asiah game I posted a comment on a blog using the same keyword anchor as another that was in the contest. It has come to my understanding that he was a top commenter on that site and I have created issues for him or her. I want to apologize and make it known that under know circumstance was I intentionally trying to create problems. So as not to create further issues, I will stop promoting my asia blog as I was just doing it for fun and learning not the money. As I am fairly new to this community of make money bloggers I would much rather make friends than enemies.
Sincerly,
Gotafish
Gotafish,
Don't worry too much about it. No hard feeling. As I mentioned, this is a genuine mistake and let's move forward from here.
I left a comment in your new blog. You should see it.
Anyway, I did see that you are doing something different on those blogs already and I really appreciate it.
Thanks and end of the day, let's exchange some tips and hope we both learn something new.
Cheers.
I took you up on your comment and I published a hub on HubPages and Internet Marketing! Just follow the link! I have a foot in both camps - but much more successfully in hubpages. Its not that quick and easy to do if you spend the time to interact with the community - but its worth it. BTW dinheiro did it just right - write a GOOD hub first and then fan people - if I get a new fan I check what they have published - if they have published nothing I won't fan back and probably won't go back and check on their progress later! If they have written something and I find it interesting i probably will fan back
Griz - I had two PSA's show up in Adsense on your home page. Wouldn't want you to get smart priced.
Hi Grizz,
Thanks to you and Spork for the post and another headache.
As you know i'm a noob so, every day there is somthing new.
So, can you clear some things up before I even think about Hub pages?
1 - When you talk about content/articles, you say write a post for your blog then change it for the article directories etc.
If you are submitting to 10 directories per post, do you have to change the article 10 times?
2 - Can you put BANS on Blogspot?
3 - I noticed you use Google Webmaster tools. How long does it take for G to show your links?
4 - How can you tell if a site allows do follow link?
5 - If you have 20 links from one directory are they all counted?
This is a sample of the 100's of questions going around my head. Your help would be appreciated.
Thanks again. All the best- John
Regarding hubpages and backlinks, we all should read this:
"We've recently taken the step of applying NOFOLLOW to the links in hubs that have a HubScore below 50, and to all the hubs of authors with an author score below 75"
If we want to create solid backlinks from hubpages, we need to create outstanding hubpages. I think hubpages it's not for everyone, but if you've the time, it could be something very juicy, if we do it as they want. I'm doing as they want, but it really takes time :|
Gotafish and Anonymous,
You two will give the cut throat biz of internet marketing a bad name if you keep being civilized like that...
Thanks Lissie and for those interested it seems Lissie is one of the more accomplished Hubber's and I have included a new link to a post she has done regarding Hubpages. You can find the link just below Splork's article.
Frank,
Thanks for the heads up although things seem normal on this end. I checked the stats as well and nothing out of the ordinary so this could be a glitch probably as there aren't many targeted ads for the term "Hubpages" - I will keep a close eye though. Thanks again.
John,
Sorry for the headache...
1) I always change the articles but many don't. If you just want links then this isn't essential but make sure you change it once so that your blog article is different.
2) I have no idea? Probably not but if someone knows please let me know. (Don't tell Vic but I have just not had time to get around to using bans yet.)
3) Webmaster Tools are a must and everyone should use this. You will usually see all new links with each update - during the first week of each new month. If you are sandboxed you won't see links until you are out of the box. I am not refering to the sample links that everyone can see doing a link: search. Only the valid owner of a site can see the webmaster tools links. There is no simple time frame John - depends on the sandbox.
4) You can see what type of links a site has by doing two things. Use firefox and install;
Search Status for Firefox
This tool will show you the PR and Alexa Rank for every site you visit plus it puts a pink box around all links that are no-follow. (Do-follow links will look normal)
Everyone should use this - a cool little tool.
5) A link is a link and can be potentially counted. Google does not necesarily give you credit for all links though and only they know the why's and wherefore's. Just get all the links you can and let Google figure them out.
And that's a sample of the 100's of answers to your 100's of questions - keep em' coming... lol
Good luck John
Thanks for the update Dinheiro.
Have you got a link to where that post is located?
To John Tighe - I did a post about how to build an eBay affiliate site on Blogger using the eBay Sniplet tool. See this post: Blogger Template for eBay Sniplets.
Hi grizzly, here is the link:
http://hubpages.com/forum/post/13688
There are other posts where this is talked about, but that one is directly from Paul (the CEO, who visited your blog :) )
Thaks mate,
I'll have more Questions for you later. LOL
All the best - John
Couple of things. I wouldn't worry too much about your lens not making it to 50 and your hubber score being above 75. My hubs are mediocre at best, truly, and they all are above the limit easily. My personal hub score is like 89. All you have to do is build a hub like you were writing a page of content on your website. Pull in some RSS feeds. Put in some photos. A video. Give a few meaningful links to back up your claims in your content. Put an Amazon module in if possible. And you're good to go.
Personally I'm glad of the 50/75 limit. It's very attainable and it keeps the spam out making Hubpages better for all.
This is a great idea, but if it's anything like Squidoo, I'll never have the time to do it right. 3 blogs and counting.
I'm thrilled to have found this blog - along with Vic and Court's great works I finally feel like I have some true direction in this Internet Marketing maze.
I'm ready to embark on this journey, but I'm confused about how soon to put affiliate ads or Adsense on a website or blog - I see "DON'T put any ads until 60 days" and yet the way I understand it Grizzly puts Adsense or other ads on right away.
Any help or clarification would be greatly appreciated.
Kate
Splork is the name of the character Robin Williams played on that show. Splork and Mindy :/
"We've recently taken the step of applying NOFOLLOW to the links in hubs that have a HubScore below 50, and to all the hubs of authors with an author score below 75"
Sounds like a real time suck.
Thanks Frank,
I liked the post so much I'm gonna have to steal it and put it on my other ugly blog. I will of course tell folks where I stole it.
I am referring to Franks post about building an affiliate site on Blogger. You can click the link in his comment.
Splork,
I managed to sign up...
Now you tell me I need content too??
Damn.
RT,
Don't over exert yourself you old lumbering Dinosaur... :-)
Kate,
It is a bit confusing and really depends on what I am trying to achieve with a blog.
In general if you are trying to build a long term authority site and don't have access to some high PR sites to give you quick indexing and some PR then forgo monetization for a bit - at least until Google has indexed you and you are settled down in the rankings for your keywords. This is especially important if you are targeting keywords that send up spam flags.
The idea is that you want to be seen as legit and having monetization on your site immediately can give the wrong impression. Sites without this must be legit - ie. they have something useful to say or else why would they bother having a site.
If you are only after short term traffic for a current event then you will want to monetize it immediately and take the chance of not being sandboxed. Btw - less competitive terms don't get sandboxed as often as highly competitive ones.
I have found that by not monetizing a site too soon I get indexed faster and my keywords rank better. This isn't always the case but a general guideline.
Fiar,
Good one!
I am going to give it a shot and see what the fuss is about. I'm most interested in it as a way of getting other sites indexed quickly. This could be helpful for beginners trying to get started and have few other options. The social side of it doesn't interest me as it is exactly as you say - a real time suck.
We shall see what happens...
Hey Grizz,
Thanks for the help thus far! But like John I have 100s of questions! this hubpage thing doesn't seem worth the time? Am I way off here. The backlink that I'll get (once I get my score high enough to not have the no_follow) will still be a low one. Wouldn't it be comparable to a Yahoo answer?
My other question is what is the best way to go about getting a Higher PR page to link to you?
Lastly, do you have a post explaining Alexa? What is it? How do I use it to my advantage?
Thanks again!
Steve
Note:
My last comment to Frank should have said
"building an "ebay" affiliate site on Blogger"
Steve,
This is something that I can't stress enough - forget PR.
To rank well in the serp's you need keyword authority and to get this you need targeted backlinks.
A targeted backlink is any link that points to your site using your keyword in the anchor text. If the site pointing to you has high PR great but even one with no PR will do you more good than a high PR site that sends a link to you using your name or URL in the anchor text.
This confuses a lot of people but PR gives you PR. PR is not the main factor in ranking in the serp's.
Keyword authority is.
If I have 100 PR0 sites linking to me using "make money online" in the backlink I will outrank you (for that term) in the serp's even though you have 100 PR5 sites linking to you using your name in the link.
You will have more PR than me but I will have more authority for "make money online"
You will have a ton of authority for your name though... lol.
This said, how many of you can find backlinks that allow you to use your keyword in the link?
These are the links you want to find and Hubpages will allow you to do this. So will some article submission directories. And Squidoo. And do you see my point?
Getting mostly useless backlinks is easy - getting targeted backlinks is harder so if you don't have access to sites that can give you good links then the ones that do aren't a waste of your time.
How do you get a higher PR page to link to you? (This should read how to get a higher PR page to link to you using your keyword)
Send me lots of money... kidding.
The honest answer is to write good content, build your blog into an authority site and people will link to you - usually with the wrong keyword though and then you have to be tactful and ask if they wouldn't mind changing the link.
Note to everyone - when linking to sites that you like - do them a favor and use a keyword they are trying to rank for and not just their name. I appreciate all the links I get but most just say "Griz". I must rank well for that term by now.lol If everyone who has given me a Griz link had used "make money online" I would be number 1 for that term by now.
Steve I realize that isn't the answer you wanted - how do you get links now and not 6 months from now after building up your site. The answer is you buy them, ask for them or exchange links with others. You also use do-follow blog comments, link farms and social networks and programs like Vic talks about on his site Blogger Unleashed (BMD etc)
Getting backlinks is 90% of this business and takes the most work. It is simply the most important aspect of ranking well in the serp's.
If I ever get my forum post done I will be dealing with this directly. Stay tuned...
Alexa is a toolbar add on that you can download and add to your browser. Go to Alexa.com.
This tool tracks everybody who has the tool and records how much traffic different sites get based on how many Alexa toolbar users visit the site.
It is a poor indicator of your website traffic but it is the only standard available. I say poor indicator as it only records traffic from people using the toolbar. If you use my blog for example I have an Alexa ranking of 58,000 and change. This is supposed to mean that I am the 58,000 most popular site on the web. Not bad out of millions but it isn't very accurate.
I get probably up to 700 visits a day from people who use the toolbar. I also get 4000-5000 visitors a day from the search engines. These folks don't likely use the toolbar and Alexa doesn't count them. The reason is that it is only bloggers and techies that know about the toolbar and have it installed. This means that bloggers and techies tend to have the highest ratings beccause they visit each other's sites all the time. Whereas a blog about "Homemade Candles" won't get much traffic from Alexa toolbar users and will have a terrible Alexa ranking - most of the traffic will be civilians using the search engines.
As for it advantages, if you intend on selling advertising on your site then you want a good Alexa ranking. It is used as a judge of traffic, poor as it is.
Hope that helps a bit Steve.
Dinosaur? Hey, you're my age buddy!
:-)
RT,
Damn.
Good point. I rescind that last barb...
"If I ever get my forum post done I will be dealing with this directly. Stay tuned..."
Griz,
with your statment above I feel like a cat and you're the kid with the string.
Geezzz
Hey Everyone,
Again thanks for the help. Anyone know of good places to go to try and get targeted backlinks? Seems like every site I go to strips the HTML. Even most of the article submission sites. I can get my URL on most sites but as Grizz just taught me that won't help with Keyword Authority.
Also anyone know how long or how many hubpages you need to create to get the ranking high enough to avoid no-follow tags?
Thanks!
Grizz makes a good point that you really want to do everything you can to build targeted backlinks.
One thing is that there are really no hard and fast rules, for the most part. Except for patience and perseverance.
Just remember, as Grizz mentioned in his getting started series, you're already ahead of the pack by writing your own content.
Everything you do from there puts you ahead more. Each thing you can do to rank is something another 90% won't do.
Pick and choose the strategies you like based on your skills, and what you enjoy. If you're a real smooth talker, maybe you would be better off asking webmasters for links than rewriting posts as articles.
If you're like me, you'll prefer the more solitary endeavours, like article writing.
Use a combination of strategies as much as possible. Each time you do something the other 90% won't do, well. It won't take much before you're doing more than 99.99% of the rest.
It will take time and it will be tedious. If hubpages aren't for you, that's OK, but you'll have to make up for it with directory submissions, or BMD runs.
If contacting webmasters isn't for you, that's OK. But you might need to make a hubpage or squidoo lens. Know yourself, and leverage your own unique skills.
Then, most of all, persist.
Thanks for the mention Griz.
Unfortunately your A'siah blog flagger (I suspect) visited my Duosonic demo site and flagged it as spam. Hopefully they'll clear it up soon although it is a pain. Fortunately it is more of a demo than a real site since that is a very limited niche.
That's probably one of the big problems with using the Blogger platform as opposed to self-hosted WordPress or BANS.
Dennis,
Nice Kitty...
Ha. Sorry about the wait but I seem to be unable to get everything done at once. My emails have not slowed down... at all...
Note to everyone waiting for a response to their emails;
I am trying as fast as I can but bare with me - most of you are asking for a review and help with your sites and to check out your keywords etc. Unfortunately this is time consuming and I can't just give you a short answer to the questions asked. I don't mind helping but you will have to be patient. Thanks for understanding.
Steve,
I'll let others fill you in on what is working for them. However you might try Court's D-List for do-follow comments. I haven't done this myself and don't know how many of the blogs on there will let you use a keyword but maybe others can help out with this. Remember to leave real comments and don't just spam the sites.
Again I will be talking about some backlinking options in the forum post. Soon (Dennis)
Fiar,
As usual you took the words out of my mouth. How do you feel about sitting in for me while I sneak off and do some golfing? Ha.
Wait don't answer cuz you'd probably say yes and then I WOULD be tempted.
Frank,
Could you email me the spam notification? I am just curious if an all out ebay sales site might not set off some filters. Not sure if this is ok with Blogger or G - just guessing and I should have a look at the TOS again.
(I can't see why anyone would flag that site as spam - hell I almost bought a Guitar!)
LOL.. I am messing with you. With not being able to listen to Vic`s videos because of continuous buffering (I also live in the out in the sticks, no dsl, cable etc.)
I am able to actually do some niche building. So, I actually don't mind you slowing down.
As far as your emails.. and questions... You built it.. Now they come. :o) LOL.
Grizz,
Have you ever built a page on blogger just for links. For example. If I build a niche targeting dogs and I wanted to solicet sites to link to me
(later on delete the links)
I would start out with the very first post stating something like "reputable online resources.
So, in essance it being the first post it will be buried.
I did a search using this link
http://www.webconfs.com/backlink-builder.php
It returned 210 sites with "add link"
I wanted to see if you have ever used this tactic and if it is a viable solution?
I'm just curious how do you know if your flagged as spam? I've not seen it and I've had several just for ebay sites on blogger set up without issues. Do you get email from blogger?
Thanks,
Gotafish
Hi,
Thank you for the great info on HubPages.
They seem to be excellent and hope to be easy also.
Nothing better than geting Google spider and index the hubpage.
Best Regards.
Johns Jo'
johnsjo@tspcentral.com
Hi all,
just wanted to mention that I tried that tool described by dennisjr:
http://www.webconfs.com/backlink-builder.php
and got some good backlinks. Obviously not every site listed worked but got a couple. Worth a look.
A lot of them want a recipricol link first...and I'm trying to avoid those since from what I read two-way links aren't as helpful. Am i right on that Grizz?
Thanks will check back soon
Steve
Grizz,
Yet another question. Is there a way to see how many actual backlinks I have? is there a program or anything?
Thanks again for all the help. I promise if I ever make some money on this I'll click around for you ;)
Thanks Steve
One thing I am not sure about is when you link the hub to your adsense code. I don't like the email "In order to use AdSense through www.hubpages.com, you'll need to grant www.hubpages.com access to the ad code and reports in your
AdSense account. "
Why do they need access to my reports?
Hi Grizz,
if i submit my URL to site like www.submitexpress.com, is it good or bad or better not too? Hope to hear from you soon =)
P.S: I once used it before and i got some traffic from there
Houston
I can answer I Love Lego - you need to give access to hubpages to your adsense ID because they serve your ID on your hubs for 60% of the impressions and their own ID for the rest of the time - you are therefore able to use adsense and analytics to track your traffic and adsense income direct rather than the more obscure system that squidoo uses for revenue sharing
Here's the suspension email I got from Blogger:
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Dear Blogger user,
This is a message from the Blogger team.
Your blog, at http://fenderduosonic.blogspot.com/, has been identified as a potential spam blog. For an explanation of what spam blogs are, please see Blogger Help: http://help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?answer=42577
You will not be able to publish posts to your blog until we review your site and confirm that it is not a spam blog. To request a review, please fill out the form found here: {----}
We will take a look at your blog and unlock it within four business days. Please note that if we do not hear from you within 20 days, we will remove your blog. If this blog does not belong to you, then you do not have to do anything. Any other blogs you may have will not be affected.
Since you are an actual person reading this, your blog is probably not spam. We find spam by using an automated classifier. Automatic spam detection is inherently fuzzy, and occasionally a blog is flagged incorrectly. We sincerely apologize for this erroneous result. By using this kind of system, however, we can dedicate more storage, bandwidth, and engineering resources to users like you instead of to spammers.
Thank you for your understanding and for your help in our spam-fighting efforts.
Sincerely,
The Blogger Team
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Great article! I love the way you write and your since of humor. I will definitely look into getting my hub set up this weekend!
Steve,
I agree we only one want one way links and hopefully with a little persuasion they will use our targeted keyword. My intent was to create a post or page that is specifically for reciprocal links. This way when they want the reciprocal link they have a place to find it. Additionally, I also plan on removing the link.
However, if they come back to my page and ask why I removed it I would put it back. I was just curios to see if Grizz or anyone has tried this?
Grizz,
Update.. You wanted me to let you know the outcome after I changed my words to get the ads I wanted and the traffic. It appears my editing and readjustments finally came to fruitation. I am finally getting traffic & clicks for that niche you looked at.
For those that may be new. I was getting traffic to a niche, but my adsense was not giving me the ads that reflected my niche. I changed things around and got my ads but lost my traffic. In the end after editing and reediting my post they both came together.
As Friar said earlier.. Persistence.. it pays
Sorry for the absence folks - had to get a few things done elsewhere.
Dennis you are talking about a reciprocal linking page and this is common practice with many sites. You can join programs like LinkMetro.com (Owned bt Brad Callen - SEO Elite) and Linkmarket.net in order to find others willing to do a two way link exchange. You can game both of these programs by signing up and waiting for others to contact you about exchanging links. If they contact you first they have to give you a link first - you then agree to the exchange and are supposed to link back to them. Don't.
This is being a prick but it gets you a one way link until the other site finally realizes that you aren't going to link back. Some will remove their link to you but most never notice because they are busy getting 100's of these links and don't check.
I should mention that these are all low quality links as most of these sites set up a page like you mention and give out 100's of links totally diluting any PR value. But... a link is a link.
Do not ever link back to any of these sites - many of them are bad neighborhood sites and you will be penalized for linking to them. You aren't penalized if they link to you.
One last thing I should mention to everyone. Any link even un-targeted crappy links or two way links are still better than no links. I talk about spending time getting the best links as they are far more effective but if you can get 1000's of crappy links you will end up on top of the serp's eventually - it just takes a lot longer.
In my niche - make money online - bidvertiser is now number 1 and it doesn't have many targeted keyword links but it does have thousands and thousands of links from all the sites displaying it's ads. I have a fraction of the links they have but I rank on page 1 as well because mine are targeted. My way is faster and to me easier than collecting 1000's of crappy links but both systems will work. (To look natural you do need crappy links as well - it would be suspicious if every link I had used the same keyword)
OK long answer to a simple question. Yes Dennis you can do what you are suggesting. lol.
Gotafish,
I assume you have seen Frank's email.
Steve,
See my reply to Dennis above with regard to two way links.
You can see your links using Google's Webmasters Tools and Yahoo's Site Explorer - once they have found them.
The only program I use that will show you all your backlinks - which I recommend to anyone pursuing a serious online business - is SEO Elite.
Steve - never click around or you could get the person you are trying to help in trouble. Thanks though but repaying me isn't necessary.
I Love Lego,
See Lissie's explanation - I should point out that I am not interested in the Adsense income and didn't give them my account.
Houston,
I am not familiar with that program but will check it out and get back to you.
Thanks Frank,
The last time I got flagged I didn't get an email - just a captcha and note on the bottom of my blog. I wanted to see what they are doing now.
As I suspected you could have been flagged by the machine and not a person. Hard to tell. You shouldn't have trouble passing the review though. Please let me know how it turns out. I will try a similar blog and see if it gets by or not.
Dennis Again,
Glad to see you worked things out - now you know the secret to Adsense. Traffic and the right keywords.
I tried a new ebay affiliate site on ebay last night and it got flagged spam this am. So looks like they are flagging them for the excessive outbound links to ebay. The other site I've had up and running for a while hasn't been bothered yet
Hi Griz,
how r u man.........
I'm getting 100+ unique visits daily to my Indian Premier League blog..........
I posted a few ads to that blog through adsense but i'm not able to generate clicks.........
do you have any sugesstions to generate clicks......
Gotafish,
Thanks for the update Fish. Your intuition sounds right and is a likely explanation. I'll know more once I have mine up and running. At least we know it wasn't a malicious reader as you didn't leave a link. It appears that Blogger has a much more sophisticated system in place which isn't surprising with G at the helm.
Aravind,
As soon as I have a minute I'll drop by and take a peek. You might play with your keywords in the meantime - use post titles that while on topic also generate a variety of ads and see if there is a vein that works for your readers.
Dennis - if you want to go over what you did with your site please be my guest.
Aravind,
Are you getting ads that relate to your niche? Where are you placing your ads?
If your getting the correct ads, I would try changing the location your ad placement. As long as you continue to get the 100 unique a day you should be able to get an idea of whats working.
I currently have mine on top below the banner and to the left. However, I think it may be against adsense TOS having it below the header? (it almost looks like a part of the post)
You may want to try to change the color scheme.. I remember Vic saying he would make his site black with Gray font and neon links. However, make sure it is legible so you don't get nailed for violation of adense TOS.
Basically, I kept playing around until I started getting results. Also, are people sitting on your site for a long time?
grizzly do you use bans (vic advice to have some bans sites)? And, if you've do you use adsense with bans? I'm seeing people saying that adsense don't like bans sites and are banning users because of that.
For the hubpages, after 24h, i've a 85 score for the profile and 83 for the hub and the hub is indexed by google. Now i want to see in the next 4 weeks, how much traffic that hub can get. i'll not do link promotion, just to see how poweful hubpages can be.
Hey Grizz,
Quick Question this time. Do I need to worry about leaving backlinks to their sites in my comment section? I thought I heard blogger no follows all links but not sure if they are good bad or indifferent.
thanks
Steve
Lizzie and Griz, thanks but why do they need my reports? I can understand my adsense code but not my reporting.
- I can answer I Love Lego - you need to give access to hubpages to your adsense ID because they serve your ID on your hubs for 60% of the impressions and their own ID for the rest of the time - you are therefore able to use adsense and analytics to track your traffic and adsense income direct rather than the more obscure system that squidoo uses for revenue sharing
Griz,
tnks for the reply i'll be waiting for ur next reply....
dennis,
i'm not getting relavant ads.............when i'm using the custom channels some unrelavant ads are being posted.............can we select which ads to be posted...
how to place the ads below the header............
as far as aravind goes I believe the niche he has selected the indian premier league is not very good since it is related to cricket and that game is played in only a few nations .
apart from the fact that Indians usually do not buy anything from the net because of unreliablity of service and danger of being duped by the unscruplous online shops.
the only people who visit the indian premier league kind of blogs are people who are looking for some nice information to read just like news etc and hence the clicks would be minimal apart from the fact that I have not seen any adevrtisers as yet for indian Premier league , so of course the ads you must be getting will be like 'watch live cricket" or "watch india vs australia series" types and not anything related to indian premier league or IPL as they call it .
So try another niche or may be Grizz can come up with a monetization model apart from adsense (I remember his acne ads on the celebrity blog)..or wait for a few months as the league gets more professional may there will be people buying adwords for the same.
Why I say all this as I have a blog named iclvsipl.blogspot.com and I have the same experience in the niche,on which I write though mainly because I love that game cricket.
Aravind, have you done some research as to whether there are indeed ads related to the Indian Premier League in Adsense?
If there are, look at some of your competition who are displaying those ads. Then do some keyword research as to which keywords will trigger those ads. Then use them in your content. Remember that Adsense is contextual, so ads are triggered based on your content depending on keywords within. You cannot directly select which ads you want.
To place ads below the header (I assume you mean your Site Title) just place the adsense code block in a HTML/Javascript block underneath it.
Same method goes for putting the ad block above each article's title (similar to what you see here on Grizz's beautiful site).
Also, your site's content must appear to satisfy an immediate need for Indian Premier League fans. If they're just going to go to your site to read about news, they will have no need to click on most sports ads. If it is about game highlights, might not be attractive either. That's my experience with sports sites, hopefully it can help trigger some ideas for you.
Aravind,
I believe the adsense was already answered. However, you should be able to drag your "page element" (adsense,java html) to the top. I would also visit Grizz's, "basics for bloggers" on how to edit your template. Just click on Grizz name for the link.
Also, try to change your post name. Change the words & bolding in the first and last sentence of the post. If you already have words bolded try different words relating to your niche.
You could try to put Indian Premier and bold the word "Crickett" to make sure there are ads for your niche. (someone said you niche was realted to Crickett?)
You might want to go back to the basics and start changing the titles. It took me three tries on my last niche to get the right combination that gave me the ads I wanted along with the traffic. Don't be surprised if you lose your traffic on the first couple of try's.. don't worry.. you know the traffic it out there, when you get the right combo you should get traffic, ads and clicks.
Back to the basics, I would try this if you have not already.
h1= Indian Premier league
h2= Indian premier league and Crickett
Good luck. Back to my 8:00-5:00
Tnx amit, yc and dennis for the support i'll try editing and make necessary changes.........
i accept with u amit that this niche is not helpful to increase the adsense revenue......
does anyone have sugesstions about referral programmes or advertisements through which i can make some revenue with this blog.........
Aravind,
Why dont you try to work in some keywords that deal with sports equipment they use for Crickette or other things they sell for the sport? This may help you get the ads you're looking for.
Hey All,
Can anyone explain the indexing process to me? Or at least point me to where I can read about it. i have three blogs going and one hour I can type the URL in Google and it will pop up and 2 hours later it won't. I don't get it.
thanks!
Steve
griz,
i heard google is now flagging, for human review, sites with dashes in the domain name. seen/heard anything on that? fairly new i believe, supposedly in google reviewers guidelines. heard it from a paid membership site i am on.
My blogger ebay site was reviewed and is no longer flagged spam. Just thought I would update those that were working on similar sites.
Hey Griz!
Just wanted to drop you a line and see if you've come up with anything regarding LV and BLS?
Hope all is well.
Mike
aravind, I would say your best strategy is to go with something that you think the followers of IPL would be into. This probably means something outside of the realm of Indian Premier League, and even outside of cricket.
The acne example is a good one, but you will have to adapt it to the type of person that finds your site. The acne example worked, becasue the sort of person looking for pictures of kelly pickler is probably a teenage boy. Teenage boys listen to ipods and have acne.
Use the same line of thought to determine who your visitors are.
I did some looking and unless you can get served up ads for cricket equipment, bats and such, you really won't make any money even with clicks. Even for the cricket equipment you can only get a few bucks a day, unless you get significantly more traffic.
Your only hope is to stretch outside the box and come up with some good affiliate products.
Hey Gotafish,
That's good news, as I've got quite a few blogger blogs doing eBay myself.
I've toyed with the idea of removing the status bar to prevent flagging, but stopped short as the sites are legit in every way - now you've just proved it that Blogger doesn't see eBay windows as spam.
I think I'll go make a few more...
Terry - My eBay blog is still flagged as spam so don't be too quick about building new ones. I'd like to have some idea about what triggered the audit so that I can build new ones without being put in the penalty box for days due to a 'bot flag.
Maybe they don't like mine for some reason or maybe the engineer who's supposed to look at mine can't pull himself away from his in-office Wii game.
Nah, a Wii is way to sophisticated for those guys - more likely got his hand on somethin' else while he "reviews" pornsites... LMAO!!!
Frank, I had a blogger blog flagged by Google recently, too. This was a personal blog that had absolutely no monetization on it, and now that I think of it, no outbound links either. It was only a few days old when it got flagged. But I've not heard anything back in the month since and it's still flagged for deletion.
Just found your blog through Google Reader's suggestions. I will definitely be reading often. Great post on Hubpages. I read about them a while back, but I will definitely look into them now after seeing their potential.
Hi,
great info
I've built some Squidoo lenses over the past 18 months and have just started building some HubPages this week
one thing that should be pointed out is that both these sites - and just about every other major web 2.0 site - is that they use nofollow tags om your external links
this means the links back to your own website carries no SEO value - the tag tells the search engines to ignore the link
the web 2.0 sites do this to ensure they retain full SEO value for themselves - and you get no SEO benefit
you do of course still get visitors through the clicks on your links - just no value is passed that will help your own site rank well
Squidoo hasn't done anything for me - Hubpages are too early to tell yet - but I suspect they are not the magic bullet for making money or getting lots of visitors
could be I'm not doing something right - this is my most successful Hubpage:
http://hubpages.com/hub/chicken-recipes
it got 35 views the first day then nothing since - it's only 4 days old and I have not placed any external links to the page yet
if I have to place external links to get page views then I may as well just build my own niche sites and blogs - I'm not prepared to do serious promotion of somebody else's site - I just want to piggy back on their large number of users to make some money
You are absolutely right about the no follow link because I posted an article i wrote myself on hubpages that was originally on my blog to get my ball rolling on hubpages.
When i went to my blog to make an edit on that post i noticed that all the links on my BLOG post all had "no follow" tags. And i know it had to be from hubpages because those links where fine before i posted that article onto hubpages.
Simple fact is that hubpages makes their money from Adsense and ads. If you have external links going from your hub article to your own website and people are clicking on YOUR links and not the ads, who isn't making money? Hubpages.
I canceled my account when hubpages kept flagging my hubs for "unoriginal content and too many outbound links" which doesn't make sense because my hubs only had the two outbound links that they clearly state are OK within each hub and the article i posted was only available on my blog at that time.
After hub pages kept flagging me i gave them the finger and went on to find two better sites Zimbio and Xonga. I posted that same article from my hub on both those sites and within a matter of hours i was within the top ten on Google for the search tags i used for it.
It really is getting harder and harder to do white hat, legal, and honest SEO for people to find your site these days because of all these sites that don't let you build up links.
Directories are worthless, Squidoo hardly gets noticed by search engines if at ALL, and that only leaves article submission like Ezine and on page optimization.
All these affiliates and spammers are killing everything, and the more these sites and search engines try to ban them the more they are going to try to beat them so the problem NEVER goes away and only gets and worse.
Now one thing I will have to admit, as a contributing writer at Hubpages, It has been a successful journey, I am not a SEO or Keyword expert, I basically just write on topics that I find interesting to me, I like to research and look up information so that is why my user name on Hubpages is Research Analyst. I have found that a community of like minded authors and writers is what makes Hubpages so much fun, its interesting to read what others have to say on the same topic but with a fresh view point.
My journey with Hubpages started with needing a place to start a writing portfolio, because I was bidding for freelance writing jobs and everyone wanted to see samples of my work, so I found an ad on Craigslist that led me to Hubpages, so over a year later I am still writing hubs and continue to write ones everyday, it has become more than just a portfolio, now its a place for me to share information I find online.
I would recommend Hubpages to anyone who is interested in writing, sharing and being part of a community of authors.
I am new to the blog world,and I'm working with hubpages and I like it so far... I am working on another page... some new information thank you..
Took a while to get to the end of this post. Quite a lot of comments and I know why. Excellent advice on searching for Google keywords and then writing your hubpages. Also thanks for letting me know to not stick to the three paragraph format. Your hub page was long but consisten and kept my interest.
Very interesting post about Hubpages--thanks for that.
I was going to create some pages to increase authority for my other sites but the "no-follow" tag rule is very important and somewhat prohibitive.
These comments remind to prioritize. What is the best way to get backlinks? Where do you want to spend your time? There are many ways and I think the best way is probably article writing, because, as someone says above, you can get solid backlinks on the phrase that you want.
Anyway, thanks for the notes on hubpages.
Great site,
Richard
The posts on HubPages were so interesting that I forgot that I had already commented. Well, I am back to make another comment. I have read all of the helpful tools on HubPages and wanted to get outside advice on how to optimize hubpages. The earnings had become to decrease and I realized that I was out of my area of interest. I now have an acronym to make sure that I stay within the subject area that brings readership to my articles.
As another commenter said, I do not concentrate on keyword and the Google crawlers. I will learn more about keywords to catch the Google crawlers and incorporate them into my article but the keyword search will not be my main focus. My main focus still will be writing relevant, interesting and orginal content for HubPage.
After reader all the the comments on this post, I realize that the monetization of the site may not be a good thing with revenue capsules of ebay and amazon. I have only been on HubPages for three months, so I will not stop the monetization until I can get a clearer picture of the impact of having ebay and amazon on my hubpage.
Hubpage connection to Google is an advantage as one commenter said and I will concentrate on text and content as that is how the Google crawler determines the ads to be placed on the article.
Anyway, thank you for all the information as I continue to improve on providing content for HubPages. For the writers who went away and decided to come back to give HubPages another try, Welcome Back.
You are right though I don't go after the "exact" keyword when I build hubs. I just got done with a hub for "get paid online" a keyword with suprising low competition and resonable search volume. My main site focuses on make money free and I am on the second page for the words. I think rather than copying the exact term go to Google's adwords tool and find some keywords with a resonable search volume that is very closely related anyway just my thoughts.
Kris,
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