Saturday, March 22, 2008

Internet Marketing isn't Blogging

Bloggers don't make money online - Internet Marketers do. It has taken me a while to understand why so many of my readers just don't get it. Bloggers want to make money but they want to do it blogging. They have integrity. They want to be recognized by other bloggers. They want to be famous. They think the A-list makes the most money online.

Internet Marketers only want to make money. They use blogs but they don't blog. You have never heard of them. They make a lot more money than the A-list.

I have been telling bloggers for some time now how to make money online and it isn't working. You can only make money by getting large volumes of traffic and it has to be traffic that will spend money on something they want or will click ads in pursuit of something they want. Bloggers spend all their time trying to get other bloggers to read their blogs. Bloggers don't spend money and even if they did there are not enough of them to make a living on. Internet Marketers spend all their time optimizing pages for the search engines and getting backlinks.

You have heard me say all this before and yet you still chase bloggers.

A little perspective

The blog you are reading now averages about 2000 visitors a day - 3/4 of the traffic comes from Google. The rest are bloggers. Adsense earnings average about $100/day. Affiliate sales are sporadic at best and earn me maybe $500 a month. This is not an affiliate sales site however and could do a lot better if I concentrated my efforts on the search traffic. I also make about $100 a week selling leads (Project Payday).

Most of you would think this is a pretty good income and you will continue to build up your blog in hopes of achieving a similar income. Most of you will never achieve it because you will never get the search traffic. You will try and get more readers.

The screenshot below is of one of my statcounter accounts. The stats you see are for all the affiliate sites I have built over the past three months. Most are for products on clickbank, CJ and ROI Rocket. Affiliate products have a decent return for about three months and then interest drops off drastically. A few products like SEO Elite and Keyword Elite stand the test of time but they are an exception - they are different from all the rest because they are actually useful. Most products are crap.

I optimize affiliate sales blogs just like my Adsense blogs. I pre-sell the product and direct the visitor to my affiliate link. You will see that I have as many failures as successes. Every site on the list is or was on page 1 of the serp's but some don't generate interest, others get sandboxed and some generate a lot of traffic. This past month I generated about 300,000 page views. 1% clicked through to the sales page. About 3000 visitors. 10% of these actually bought a product - approx 300 sales (289 to be exact). My average commission is $23 for a total of just under $6700. I spent a grand total of nothing on hosting or domains. I spent nothing on PPC. The only expense I have is buying backlinks - about $750 this month but this should be divided equally between all several hundred sites that I manage - about $3.26 per site.

Click all images to enlarge.



Remember the Asia'h Epperson blog I created?



I spent less than an hour on the blog - creating it, writing 5 posts and collecting 20 backlinks. I haven't touched it in a month.



It has generated almost 10,000 page views.

It still ranks number 5. It outranks lots of older established PR sites.

Why?



I want you folks to think about everything you think you know about making money online.

Do you need an aged site?

Do you need a site with tons of quality content?

Do you need a fancy wordpress blog or website?

Do you need web 2.0?

Do you need stumblers and diggers?

Let's see who has been paying attention.

You tell me why I can create free blogs for Adsense or Affiliate sales and rank on top of the serp's with little content and do it all in a matter of days and create a steady stream of hundreds of thousands of visitors.

Oh, in case I still don't have your attention...

The best answer will get $500 from me - yup - straight to your paypal account.

There is a catch though - the best answer will be the person who shows me and not tells me - the money goes to the first person who outranks my Asia'h blog for the term "Asia'h Epperson". ( I will not do a thing to keep my ranking ) If any of you are serious about making money online then prove it.

I am serious - I really want to know if anybody has learned a thing or if I am just wasting my time with this blog. I can make a lot more money turning it into an affiliate sales page like all the other sites in the "make money online" niche.

Cheers,

Griz

April Update

One of my readers has written a post in which they have demonstrated a clear understanding of what is necessary to rank well in the serp's. Check out seoblogpro.com's post "Back-Links Exposed" regarding SEO.

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Carla said...

Hi Griz,

Certainly, no one could argue with your success. And I can see how that success would cause you to think anyone who takes another route must be either ignorant, lazy or just plain dumb. After all, if you can make scads of money by using free blogs and little time, why do anything else?

Here's another perspective on this whole/blog Internet marketer thing though: Some of us really need to use blogs as a form of self-expression.

I'm well aware that by moving to self-hosted WordPress, I've made more work and a little more expense for myself. By doing so, however, I gave myself the opportunity to feed the part of me that has to be creative to function properly. I've been an art director and professional writer for more years than I want to say, so to express myself visually and through words is an imperative.

Okay, that's boring. But here's the thing; couldn't it be possible to spend time creating a cool blog and in the process optimize the crap out of it, get backlinks, etc. and eventually make a lot of money with it? My plan is to create content I'm proud of and then stop working on the content when I have a critical mass the search engines are rewarding. While working on that content and for as long as needed, I also will work my butt off to continue to build search engine traffic.

Maybe I'm nuts; maybe no one in the world agrees with me; and maybe my scheme won't work, but this is the only way I know how to do it and still feel comfortable with the product I'm creating.

That's my two-cents anyway. :-)

John Tighe said...

Hi Griz,

Yeh, its me again. I don't know if you got my last comment, but I hope you get this one.

Wasting your time? Yes maybe in terms of dollars in your pocket.

However, I am trying to make money online for the first time after loosing a bricks and mortar business, due to Multiple Sclerosis.

I looked around the web for months before finding your site. I can say without doubt, that if it wasn't for you I wouldn't have known where to start.

Answering your question and taking up your challenge, will have to wait until tomorrow as my kids need the computer for their school work.

Thanks for your help. All the best
John Tighe

Frank C said...

Ha, I wondered why my simple WordPress 'entourage' blog got buried in results today.

The obvious answer is link strength but it takes time and money to achieve this. That's why I think your $500 will be safe for a while.

I informed our pal Chris Guthrie about this post. Maybe he'll swing by.

One question though. Blogger blogs and pinging. How does this work? Is there a way to do it automatically like in WordPress?

Anonymous said...

Very well said. It's true, blogging is harder than most people think. It takes alot of time.I think it's much easier doing other Internet Marketing ventures such as ebooks.

aravind said...

Hi Griz,
Yet another great post from................
i really learn t a lot from u...............i started of with a blog about Indian Premier League three weeks ago which got indexed on Google and doing good till now, i think u are familiar with that........of course it has not yet started generating traffic but it will start generating in a few weeks if every thing goes well........
I'm interested in your challenge as i know what to do to rank well and generate traffic,of course i learn t all that from you. But I'm a newcomer to this field and I'm not ready to invest and buy back links...........
But once i get on to it i can accept any challenge from u.........

Tim E. said...

The main thing I think these bloggers are after, is they feel broken inside and are sure that writing "real" content is gonna fix it. Its the same thing that causes a midlife crisis. How dare you just be doing it for the money. They have real self worth issues, and figure 10,000 RSS readers will make them feel good about themselves.
But you know, you can do both. I have several blogs now, one designated just to make me and my partner Ernie feel all warm and fuzzy and a whole bunch to make me some money while I do it. It almost has to be an either or on each individual site, since my feel - good blog makes me laugh but doesn't make me money (by choice). The other sites are adsense targeted, and I don't want return visitors unless they are returning to click on an ad.

Greg said...

Challenge accepted Grizz. Thank you for making this fun and exciting.

Greg said...

I just re-read your post and I want to assure you that you are absolutely not wasting your time.

I got 1431 page views last week from 881 unique visitors to a blog I created in late February. I achieved this traffic by ONLY following the methods you have generously shared. No social bookmarking or anything else like that. I owe %100 of my success to you.

I have only made $3 on it because I can not figure out how to monetize it; so if you are looking for more post ideas....

Thank you and take care,

Greg

Ray said...

Grizz,

Well said, I think your perspective is indeed unique, and very valuable. It's all a matter of what you want to achieve, fame or fortune, sometimes the two don't arrive at the same time.

BTW the challenge is on, I'm taking the bait. Thanks and keep that $500 aside for me.

Stephen said...

Grizz,

$500? Worth my time, that's for sure.

Seriously though, if you hadn't been here doing what you are doing, then I don't know where my SEO awareness level would be at right now; if you hadn't been here to open my eyes to the way things are and to point me in the direction of your fellow 'honest truth' bloggers like Vic and Court, I would probably have become discouraged by now.

So Thank You for making a difference.

BTW, thanks also for the Zoom on my last BZ post re. free SEO tools: says a lot that you thought it was worth the effort. ;)

gumbi said...

Grizz,

Damn you and Vic! How can I spend time blogging and building my RSS feeds if you two, and Court, keep writing this great stuff!

Especially this challenge! Wow, guess I am gonna have to quit writing about my pet parakete and how to take care of dogs.

Ok, so when does this challenge end? What proof do we need, or for how long?

Crap, gotta go and check my stats again, I might have made a sale in the last couple of minutes....

Elliott


ps....lmao

gotafish said...

Griz,
It's on challange accepted!!
Great post by the way

Grizzly Brears said...

Carla,

You know I have a ton of respect for you and what you do. I have no problem with your goals or with anyone else that wants to put in the time to create and market a quality blog or website. The road you have chosen will be long, frustrating and in your case probably successful.

The problem I have is that I get email after email from bloggers who are trying to do what you are doing but want to know why they aren't ranking well and aren't making any money.

I spend a lot of time explaining the same things over and over only to have the blogger tell me that they don't want to do what I have told them because they essentially want to do things their way. They like the blog title they have chosen - they like the snappy post titles they choose - they think using keywords will cheapen their product etc. This is extremely frustrating as they really want their cake and to eat it too.

This is becoming an all too frequent scenario that wastes my time and I need to get the point across to everyone that I am about making money and not about blogging.

People keep asking me how to build a better mousetrap and I keep telling them how to sell the old mousetrap. If someone wants to be an A-lister - fine but, don't expect to make money until you are an A-lister. The road to getting there is starvation.

There is a fundamental difference between making money and blogging for social gratification and my readers need to decide what they are really after. I can help with the former but not with the latter and I only ask those who want to be bloggers to please stop asking for help if they aren't prepared to do what I say. My methods work for any type of site as far as getting traffic is concerned but they can't be cherry picked - people have to do everything I say and not just the parts they like.

If my post has come across a bit gruff then I sincerely apologize but I have created a time sucking monster with this blog and feel the need to lay down some ground rules. I just don't have the time to help people who aren't serious about making money. I'm sorry but I'm just keeping it real.

On a personal note Carla this rant doesn't apply - you are one of the few I would encourage to follow the path you have chosen as you have the ability to pull it off. Most unfortunately don't and I feel bad at the time and energy so many people will put into an enterprise that is surely doomed.

Thanks Carla, I certainly appreciate your two cents.

Grizzly Brears said...

John,

I'm glad you have accepted the challenge and look forward to you kicking my ass in the serp's.

Good luck.

Grizzly Brears said...

Frank,

I am hoping that the $500 isn't safe and someone figures it out in a hurry.

In regards to pings, Blogger has an auto ping to weblogs - just set the toggle to yes under "Settings" - "Basic" - "Let search engines find your blog?"

Grizzly Brears said...

Aravind,

I wish everyone was as quick a learner as you have been. You may be a newcomer but there's no moss growing on you. Keep at it and the results will follow.

Ben Willis said...

Griz, I just put a little Asia'h blog up for the challenge. Had to do a little home work because I don't have a clue about AI. Let's see what happens. If nothing else, I may learn something. Ben

Grizzly Brears said...

Tim,

Amen. As I said to Carla there is nothing wrong with chasing a dream. We all have our needs but we have to be realistic. If you want to make money then make money. If you want to express yourself then express yourself. Just don't expect one will lead to the other. There are exceptions to every rule but most of us are not the exception no matter how much we want to be.

BTW - thanks for the link on your last post. I have been meaning to drop by and thank you. Always nice chatting to another blogger who also lives out in the "sticks." Lol.

Grizzly Brears said...

Greg,

Glad to have you on board.

Monetization is always the biggest hurdle. If you want to email me your URL I can take a look and see if anything pops to mind. Let me know what you have tried so far as well.

Thanks for the reassuring words - nice to hear from time to time.

Grizzly Brears said...

Ray,

I see you aren't wasting anytime - check out Ray's link folks. The money is waiting - come and get it.

ps. nice choice for the URL!

Denise said...

I am on for the challenge. Who couldn't use the money. I come here because I need to make money. It is not just a passing fancy. No money, no food, no home.

Xel deCassis said...

Hi Griz,

Just would like to tell you that I really love this blog, I'm new to IM and your blog is an inspiration and a really great source of info for me. Your posts are long but I read them from start to end. LOL. Just had the chance to re-read your old posts and am actually in the process of applying them.

I'm taking on this challenged on Asia'h Epperson. I think it's a great way to apply what I learned from you. Win or Lose, I think I will learn a lot from this experience.

-Xel

Grizzly Brears said...

Stephen,

Thanks for the kind words. Vic (bloggerunleashed.com), Court (courtneytuttle.com) and I all have different methods but our basics are the same.

We hate seeing people led down the garden path by self serving gurus who want your money and offer pipe dreams in return.

The nice thing is that we offer several different approaches to the same end - if I'm not your cup of tea then chances are Court or Vic will be. If anyone isn't familiar with these two fellows then please do yourself a favor and give them a visit.

Thanks again Stephen.

Greg said...

I have emailed you the link Grizz. Thank you very much for offering.

Greg

Mike Pedersen Golf said...

Man Griz! I know I've already brought this up, but I am STILL waiting (and linking) for google to rank my well-researched, fairly low-competition adsense blogs. It's getting quite disappointing to say the least. So much so I am now considering creating more "info-products" on profitable niches (not golf anymore).

It has been 3 months for some of the early blogs I launched. I have written unique articles for both the blogs and article directories. I have LV for even more links, and still out of the 19 blogs I've launched one or two are the only ones making a little bit everyday, and that's it!

Any advice for this very frustrated Internet Marketer (blogger)?

Talk soon,
Mike

Grizzly Brears said...

Elliot,

Ha. I hate the thought of taking you away from your pets - I have a few pet focused blogs that make a few bucks too. (Pet owners buy ebooks folks - HINT! and Calendars HINT HINT and lots of other crap HINT HINT HINT!!!)

The challenge ends as soon as someone outranks me. If you do just contact me and I will have you add something to your last post so I know it's you. I think the winner should hold his/her rank for a week just for legitimacy and in case several of you achieve the feat this will weed out the top blog.

A word of warning - Elliot has a PR5 link at his disposal but don't be dismayed - I kick the crap out of high PR sites all the time...

Glad to have you with us Elliot.

Grizzly Brears said...

Gotafish,

I thought you might find this interesting. Good luck.

ksc7 said...

I really like this blog, I am a big fan of the grizzly!

I have followed different methods
presented here and I can say with certainty that what is presented here works great!

So in relation to what Carla said,
and in terms of making money blogging...
I wouldn't draw the line between social gratification and earning cash, at least in the 'blogging' world...

I am gratified when people read what I blog about. If i didn't get gratification from readers, I would write it on a piece of paper and never put it online. I like to make money doing it because as I make more money, I can justify spending more time writing. Aside from that, as my earnings increase, so does the amount I re-invest in getting more visitors and readers and therefore more gratification.

I am relatively new to all this blogging thing but I am enjoying it and making a few bucks doing it.

If I were to decide between the whole social networking and the search engine route, I would definitely be an advocate of optimizing a blog for the search engines. Nevertheless, I will not take away the value from social networking or the Web 2.0 'stuff'. I wouldn't focus all my efforts doing that either, but I believe that there is potential there as well. Potential to make money that is...at least for new bloggers

As a new blogger myself, I make most of my blog money capitalizing on social networking and selling stuff to other new bloggers like me. It is not $100 a day, the income varies between $20-$30 a day for 10 to 15 hours of work a week. Every week I delicate some time to optimize for search engines. I am hoping that one day most of my traffic will be from Google. When that happens, when the nature of the visitor "client" changes I will adjust the "product".

Regarding the search engines and Web 2.O debate. I would suggest you use both. I get a fraction of my visits from search engines, but everyday that fraction gets bigger. When it becomes larger I will focus on capitalizing on that traffic as well. I don't understand why would someone rule out search engines as a option for getting visitors. The majority of internet users get around using them. Why would anyone want to close that door?

In the end it doesn't matter which path you take, as long as you do what you need to do to get the most out of it, get more visitors/readers, make money and at least sustain your efforts.

Personally, I found this blog through entrecard a while back and I have become a regular reader.

Grizzly Brears said...

Ben,

Glad to have you as well. You hit the nail on the head - win or not the whole point is to learn.

Grizzly Brears said...

Denise,

Very clever - a squidoo lens (check her link) - I see you aren't wasting any time either. Good thinking - this could get interestng...

Grizzly Brears said...

Xel,

I have seen you stop by often and I'm glad you dropped a comment. You have a great attitude and anyone who has read and then re-read my posts must be serious about this biz. (or a sucker for punishment. ha) I wish you the best of luck.

Grizzly Brears said...

Mike,

Two questions: Are you tracking your keywords? Are they moving up the serp's? Email me all the keywords and the current positions.

Vinny Lingo said...

I know you wanted action and not words. But I wanted to let you know that what you're teaching is having an effect. I don't comment because, so far, I haven't felt like I have something to add. I staying busy applying what I'm learning here. And I'm seeing success.

I have a feeling there are a lot of other people who, like me, are doing and not talking.

Keep up the good work! It's worth it.

Grizzly Brears said...

ksc7,

Thanks for the guest post! Ha.

There is no doubt that a person can work both the search engines and the social networks - this blog is proof of that. Keep in mind that combining the two only works for an essentially social blog trying to make a few bucks on the side.

Social traffic is useless for a pure affiliate or Adsense site - would you stumble a post that discusses the pro's and cons of pex pipe over kitek pipe on a site targeting plumbers?

The thing is this is where the real money is made online - John Chow makes chump change compared to the person ranking number one for "Oil Filters."

Making real money online is a business and socializing is a pleasure and just like the real world - you don't mix the two together.

Your point is well taken but only if kept in context - you are trying to make a little money while doing what you love. Hopefully it will grow and you'll be satisfied but it will be a long haul.

I am building an online business and I am not relying on hope. Spending years building up a social blog is not the way to make a living. How many bloggers (A-listers) make a real living online? Ten? A dozen? How many bloggers are out there? Millions?

How many Internet Marketers make a real living online? Certainly hundreds and probably thousands.

I know from experience that as a blogger with this site I make a few bucks. Probably more than 95% of the bloggers out there. It's a lot of work and takes up a huge chunk of time. It is gratifying though.

I make far more money as an Internet marketer though and it is less work, takes less time and yes there is little gratification other than the money. It is after all a job - a business.

As I said in the post if people want to learn how to make money online then I will show them but it would be dishonest of me to tell them to keep plugging away with a social blog in hopes of making a name for themselves. The A list will feed those dreams and I will stick to the nuts and bolts for those interested in earning a living.

Btw - glad to hear you found me on entrecard - I guess it's not as worthless as I thought. Lol.

Grizzly Brears said...

Vinny,

Thanks for that. It's nice to hear from some of the silent majority on occasion. I would encourage everyone to drop in even if just to say hello and get your links out there. While social traffic sucks for making money, it is a good way to make a few friends and making friends is never bad - you never know what it could lead to.

aravind said...

Hi Griz,
I'm very happy to say that my Indian Premier League Blog got to the third page for the key word Indian premier League.....................i think it's just a few back links away from the first page
But I'm not able see my page anywhere in the yahoo..........are these techniques not applicable for yahoo............

hch said...

Hey griz. Think my last comment got buried in the previous post so i'll post it here again...

Should I submit to online directories? Will it help?

I'm already doing all the article writing i can, but it takes like 20 minutes to write a proper article and 15 minutes to rewrite each one so I can submit to article directories for backlinks.

Don't know if I'm doing everything right, cause I'm not getting anywhere either.

as always, appreciate your help.

Denise said...

GREAT! :-(

Now your Asia'h Epperson blogspot blog just moved up in rankings. You are #2 under the official American Idol site. :-(

Could it get any tougher?

John Tighe said...

Good Afternoon Grizz,

Before I put the skills you taught me to use, and kick your Arse in Serps and take your hard earned money. Could you tell me how I find out exactly where my pages are on Google? Lol.

Seriously, I don't know.

All the best - John

Grizzly Brears said...

Aravind,

Glad to hear you are gaining ground with your blog.

In order to rank well with Yahoo and MSN you need to add meta tags to your blog although lately Yahoo has started ranking blogger blogs better leading me to believe they have changed their own algorithm.

I have never tried to rank on Yahoo as they don't provide much traffic compared to G (based on my websites that rank on top of all three major indexes) and I have found that adding meta tags can harm your rankings on G if done incorrectly. G ignores meta tags for ranking purposes but still crawls the terms used and can label you as a spam site if the tags are stuffed with too many repetitive terms which most people are guilty of.

My advice is to ignore Yahoo - if they rank you that's great but I wouldn't chase them.

Grizzly Brears said...

Hch,

The more links the better so submitting to directories won't hurt. They are not the best links and are useless for traffic though but if you want to spend the time go ahead. Most will require a reciprocal link though.

Article directories are different as they can produce traffic and better quality links if your articles get picked up and posted on other sites. I would concentrate on article directories over site directories if time is an issue and it usually is.

Grizzly Brears said...

Denise,

I had nothing to do with that... lol.

Your data center is showing a different result than mine - Google.ca has dropped me down to 6th spot. I should mention that Google.com (usa) will be the center used to decide a winner.

Look at the bright side - there wouldn't be much to learn if this was too easy. lol.

Good luck Denise.

Asia'h Epperson Fan said...

Nuts, I'm clear back on page 16. This is going to be tough. Thanks for cleaing up which datacenter we'll be using I'm showing you in 2nd spot also.
Gotfish

Grizzly Brears said...

John,

I did a little search to see if there were any free tools for checking keyword rankings and came up short. I use SEO Elite to track mine but it isn't free. I have no qualms recommending it to others though as it is a must have product when it comes to Internet marketing.

Don't rush off and buy it though - you don't really need to track your progress. If you do things right you should find your site in the top 10 pages fairly quickly just searching Googles serp's. If you aren't there then keep plugging away...

ksc7 said...

Grizzly your welcome for the guest post...lol. I have been reading this blog for a while and had a lot of pent up comments.

Grizzly Brears said...

Hey Garrett, (Gotafish)

Nice touch with the link - too bad this is no-follow but I see where you are going with the Asia'h Epperson Fan link... good thinking now go find some do-follows.

gotafish said...

I know just did that for shits and giggles.

Grizzly Brears said...

Ksc7,

Vent as much as you want, I'll take comments like yours all day-every day. Any chance of dropping a name though - feels like I'm talking to R2D2 using your moniker. lol.

Asia'h Epperson Fan said...

Challenge accepted. I've been working hard the last 24 hours putting into motion everything that you have been teaching. It's not so much about the money, which I would love to have, but about the challenge and doing the best I can and seeing where it gets me. This is going to be fun.

Grizzly Brears said...

Paul, (Asia'h Fan #2 - lol)

Welcome aboard - I'm having fun already. The money isn't really the point and I'm glad everyone is taking this the right way - I want people to learn and this is a great way to do it. Good luck.

Terry said...

Hey Griz,

Nice gauntlet to throw down! I would have commented here last night when I read your post, but I suddenly had an important post to write of my own...

A bit of an observation - I've noticed lately that Google no longer loves Squidoo - none of my hitherto well rank lenses are anywhere to be seen now despite their getting page rank. On the flipside, Yahoo suddenly seem to have fallen in love with Squidoo as those same lenses abandoned by G have been taken under Y's wing and I have a few of them right up at the top now. As you rightly said, the traffic sucks, but a trickle is better than nothing!

They do however make good lnik frams... ;-)

Speaking of which, my carefully nurtured blogger blogs have nearly all been de-indexed by G so I feel I've lost a good source of back-links. That's annoying as some of those blogs were over a year old and just getting some authority in their niches...

Not sure why, but they all had the status bar hidden and were all under the one account (clue).

Bah humbug!

Ce la vie...

Anonymous said...

Griz,

My initial understand was that create a few hundred blogs and inter link each other is bad and Google will detect this. By now i have scene few sites doing this and archiving their target too.
Ex : davidarchuletaidol.blogspot.com

There are 30 odds blogs American-Idol-name+idol.blogspot.com

Some of the blogs have good Google rank.

Any comments about this. Do you think inter linking our blogs goning to help our pursuit of back link?

Thanks and best regards,
Indy

DennisJr said...

Grizz,

I think your article actually reflects my frustration. I was just thinking I needed to go back and reread your articles. I know in my case I tried to apply your principles to what I was comfortable writing about and still seem to fail. However, your challenge may give a break to just try to apply your lessons outside my comfort zone. Although I am late, It'll still be interesting. Do you plan on taking the summer off from this blog?

Well, off to Easter dinner. Maybe I can talk the wife into letting me take the laptop if tell her their could be $500.00

PS.. Your posts are definitely The valued and useful.

PSS.. If you ever run out of stuff to write about I would love to read about affiliate sales? Another subject I am clueless about.

Grizzly Brears said...

Hi Terry,

I didn't post your second comment as your first one wasn't eaten - just slow to load. Blogger is having a hard time with 50 comments now. lol.

Your Squidoo observations are backed by several comments I have come across elsewhere and I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that it has become little more than a link farm - the domain has millions of outbound links and few inbound and not surprising that G doesn't give much weight to individual pages (lenses). Like all good things it has been abused and contains a lot of spam pages. Had people concentrated on getting backlinks to their lenses this might have been avoided.

As I mentioned in an earlier comment Yahoo has changed it's algorithm and is beginning to rank pages heretofore unseen. I can't say that it is an improvement - it's just different. They are so easily gamed that they are a joke when it comes to relevancy but maybe they are finally trying to change that. A little late to the game in my opinion but what the hell...

Sorry to here about the blogger account - as you know I learned long ago to keep each account to a few blogs and I don't interlink them. Blogger was and still is a huge target for sploggers and any hint of link farming gets you in trouble with either Blogger or G or both. Not worth the risk.

If you copy your content - start over with new accounts - new URLs - new emails - new passwords. It sucks but worth a shot. (Delete the old blogs first)

Ce sera sera... lol.

RE4Beginners said...

Griz,

I want to thank you for the great free content that you are sharing in this blog!

The challenge that you have presented is a great way to motivate people to get off the sidelines and try something!

Regards,
Scott

Grizzly Brears said...

Indy,

See my comment to Terry. You can get away with it for a little while but you will get caught and de-indexed and/or Blogger will just delete the blogs. Not a strategy you want to try for long term results. Having said that a lot of splogs are only after short term gain and do exactly what you described - AI is mostly short term.

Keep in mind that you can interlink lots of blogspot blogs if you use the no-follow tag. The links aren't for PR but rather to move traffic around. People looking for info on a subject will keep following the links and hopefully click something that makes you money on one of the blogs.

Had I not used the Asia'h blog as an example I would have linked it to all the other contestants blogs using no-follow in order to keep people on my sites thus allowing me to present them with lots of alternate ads and products. This method allows you to potentially show 1 visitor multiple click outs increasing the chances of making a sale or earning some adsense revenue.

Mike Pedersen Golf said...

Griz,

You say...

Two questions: Are you tracking your keywords? Are they moving up the serp's?

I have statcounter and as you have said before, I used the "keyword sniping" approach, so each blog only has a couple of keywords total I'm going after, which could be part of the issue.

I am moving up, but maybe the search volume that wordtracker shows is WAY OFF!

I wish I wouldn't have put so much time and money into these 19 blogs and done some affiliate blogs or created another info product instead, but now I can turn my focus to that and just see what happens with those blogs as they all have articles and links pointing to them.

When you say you spend $750 a month on links, I know you have BS, but what other methods are you doing that equates to that high of dollar amount?

Thanks again,
Mike

Jaredl said...

Whoa! This is going to be fun!
I have been reading your blog and the concept of writing for search engines rather than for loyal readers makes perfect sense. I caught myself today, searching and landing on a blog, and within 2 minutes..clicked on an adsense ad. I would never do this on blogs that i regularly visit cos I am more interested in their content..see my hubpage Asia'h Epperson The American Idol

Grizzly Brears said...

Dennis,

First off - nicely done on the misspelling of "Eppersonn". You have been paying attention! (Check his link folks)

Glad to see you step out of your comfort zone.

Like most summers I have to slow down a bit but I never take it off completely.

I have plans to talk about affiliate marketing but wanted people to learn the basics of SEO before proceeding down that path. I will be getting to it soon though.

A note of concern if I may. As expected I have a flood of new emails regarding this topic - affiliate marketing - and I want to tell people to stop asking for links to my sites. I will show a few examples in due time but you have to realize that I am not going to slit my throat. I have told all of you in the past that you should keep your sites to yourselves as your competitors will waste no time undermining you and there are few people more vicious than affiliate marketers.

I made the mistake of showing my Kelly Pickler blog on here and no sooner did I post the link than some jerk flagged the blog as spam. This caused me a lot of grief and while I worked it out it cost me a few months of income. I am still pissed off about it though as I am helping people for free and that's the kind of thanks I get. I realize that most of you are not like that but I can't trust anyone when it comes to my income. I hope you will all understand.

Grizzly Brears said...

Folks,

I am off to watch Tiger keep his perfect season alive - that would be golf for all you heathens - but I will be back later to answer more comments. Keep em' coming.

Griz

Lin said...

Hi Griz,

Reading your blog, as well as following instructions from Vic, Court and Frank have helped me immensely get some really nice search engine traffic. It increases by the day, as my sitemeter stats prove.

Some days the majority traffic is from search engine traffic, with a small portion coming from social networking.

I've been making some money on my blog due to the search engine traffic, that I've only gotten by using a variety of keywords in each of my posts, as well as ending posts that help lead the reader to using a link embedded or buying a product that furthers their search topic.

You're right, fellow bloggers will read and comment on your posts, but they rarely (if ever) buy anything you're offering. Search engine readers do! And many of my posts are ranking very high on the serps, most are on the first page, and many are number 1. Yippeeee!

DennisJr said...

Well grizz,

Someone flagged my blog as spam. So, I am going to delete the blog. If I were you I would never again share any of your sites. The funny thing was, I was really reluctant to put the blog on your site. But, I figured it was a part of the learning expience and I was going to share it with everyone. Eitherway, I am going to delete the blog, the information you provide is worth more than the 500.00 you share. So, please don't let this discourage you from continuing to teach.

aravind said...

Hi Griz,
don't know what happen but my blog got removed from the third page..................why is it happening so.............yesteraday i really felt happy to seee it in third page and now it has been removed..................but it is still indexed on google........

Johanna Piittala said...

Just found this blog and have to say you have a point. I had quite a few ideas reading your text, thanks. =)

You provide brilliant information for beginners and I thinkeven some of the more advanced. =)

Bryan K said...

Hi Griz,

Thanks for this interesting post. The amount you put on the table really pushing me to start working on my first blog, although I don't need that money in my bank, lol.

Hope to meet you there at the SERP 1st page soon.

Grizzly Brears said...

Mike,

I get half a dozen emails a week from people asking to buy a link on this blog. I haven't sold any but that doesn't mean I won't. The sites asking haven't been of the quality to even consider. When I need a few really good links for a site I go to where the best links are... sometimes they cost a few bucks. Is that a subtle enough answer regarding the $750?

As for tracking keywords I am referring to something like SEO Elite. I began a Payday Loan campaign back in November and I have tracked my keywords for the past 5 months. They bounced all over the place for several months but slowly they are working their way up the serp's. I add backlinks slowly but steadily and each time I check they move up a little. This is a highly competitive niche and I had no idea when starting how long it would take to get to page one. From what I have seen I can now estimate that it may take a few more months yet but no big deal - I am patient and the reward will be worth it.

You are expecting your blogs to be on top in 3 months - they may be in tougher competition than you think. If you had been tracking the keywords you would know by now where they stand and how fast they have climbed. This is useful info as it shows you your progress and tells you how many links you need to move forward in a certain niche.

Let me give you an example. "Make Money Online" has millions of competitors but there are only 14 sites that are actively working on a page 1 listing. I know this because if I stop getting backlinks to this blog I fall back to the 14 th position and stay put. This has happened several times. I have found that 10 decent links a week will get me back to page 1 - position 8-10. 20 links a week will move me up to position 6-7. I have no idea yet how many I will need for top spot. My competitors are not sitting still - they are all doing the same thing as me. Serp rankings are not static in a competitive niche - you just don't get to page 1 and stay there if your competition is busy getting backlinks. Btw, I also track my competitors links. I see how many and the kinds of links they get and I go and get them too. This blog is in, by far, the most competitive niche I have ever been in and it is a lot of work. On the other end of the spectrum, Asia'h Epperson is not a competitive niche and I haven't had to do any work at all other than the initial setup.

Your 19 blogs sit somewhere along the spectrum and you need to know what the competition is up to in order to know what you need to do to beat them. This is why programs like SEO Elite are so valuable - it gives you the info you need.

I have said to you that it usually only takes me 3 months to dominate a niche - and this is usually correct - but I have a pretty dependable system that in general, I use over and over. I can't explain every little detail as my methods aren't static. I react differently with every blog based on past experience. Not every blog progresses the same way so I can't lay out a step by step plan that is specific for every circumstance. I can only tell people the basics and then hope they fill in the blanks for their own set of circumstances.

This is turning into a post so I will stop but maybe it's time I did a little refresher post on the blog and try and explain a few things in more detail.

Grizzly Brears said...

Jared,

I have never used hub pages myself so I am interested in seeing your results. Glad you joined in.

Grizzly Brears said...

Lin,

It's always nice to read comments like yours. SEO works. It is the only guaranteed method to create sustainable traffic that spends money or clicks ads. Trying to convince people, who have fallen into the social arena, of this fact has proven to be almost impossible. On the bright side this has meant less competition for those of us who know how to make money online.

Thanks for dropping in Lin.

Grizzly Brears said...

Dennis,

That really burns my ass. As I said earlier this is a cut throat business best kept under the cloak of secrecy. People complain that they can't find honest info on the net and this is the reason why. Telling people how things are really done is just asking for trouble and I have been burned a few times.

Grizzly Brears said...

Aravind,

Just relax. It's a new blog and as such it will bounce around a bit in the serp's. Just keep posting and wait it out. It will settle down as you add content and gain links. This is completely normal.

Grizzly Brears said...

Johanna,

Thanks for the comment and welcome to the blog. I can never get enough "brilliant" comments... lol.

Grizzly Brears said...

Bryan,

Get to it and there is lots of room on page 1. I don't mind sharing.

DennisJr said...

Well Grizz,

It burns my ass too. However, I learned I can not go in and delete my own blog when it has been flagged or post to the flagged blog. It will be automatically deleted in 20 days unless I notify them and argue it (which I am not going to argue it).

Since the page is not indexed, I can only surmise that I either keyword stuffed it too hard or one of your readers flagged it. In which case if it is the latter, they are short sighted and can not see the benefit of watching your "students" execute your lessons and possibly learn something they didn't know.

I look forward to watching everyone compete. Imagine the possibilities if AI brings Asia'h back, wouldn't that be fun to watch you go at it with your readers. LOL Thanks again Griz!

aravind said...

Hi Griz,
thanks for that reply..................i'm sorry if i'm troubling you..............i'm just excited about that blog.............

Mike Pedersen Golf said...

Griz,

As always I truly appreciate your response and time you "give" to your readers. I hope others appreciate it as much as I do.

Funny thing...I have owne SEO Elite for years but it has gathered about a foot of dust. Sounds like I need to blow the dust off and give it another whirl. I may need to even figure out how to use the dang thing...LOL.

So it really comes down to link-building for any ranking eh? Which I knew but sometimes get lazy I guess.

Thanks again my friend!

Frank C said...

Dennis - In addition to competitors there are also SEO 'purists' and other Net vigilantes who see it as their duty to go after anyone they see as gaming the system or who have an unpure motive in their minds, like making money from search traffic.

I'm waiting for Asia'h Epperson to show up here to meet and greet all of her Internet fans.

gotafish said...

I may not make it to page 1 on this contest but I've been able to pick up some very high pr links back to my other blogs while searching for sites for this contest. $500 or not this lesson was well worth it.
Thanks,
Gotafish

Fiar said...

hch,

Search for "SEO Friendly" It will give you a list of directories, and it indicates which ones won't require reciprocal. They will all have an option to use Reciprocal links, but just choose the no reciprocal option. It takes longer to get added.

The reciprocal links suck anyway. They're really just links to affiliate partners of the directory.

The Seo Friendly list also give you the PR of the directories.

DennisJr said...

Frank C,
Thanks for your input. The funny thing is I violated every rule I ever taught my daughter about being online. I have given so much info about myself and my sites that it makes me cringe. However, everything I shared I was prepared to lose and knew what I was risking. I guess that is why it didn't bother me all that much.

Now if It was back 10yrs ago in my Warez or CDC days maybe I would try to do something about it. However, its not worth my time.

xel said...

Hi Griz,

Just got the two blogs I created for Asia'h under review by Blogger as possible spam blogs. Don't know how long they will get off that. It seems a Blogger employee has to check it manually before they release it. This is really good education.

What happened was on the first blog, I tried to put in some code from GoingUp analytics and mistakenly added the PHP code and not the Javascript code.

After doing this, Blogger seems to have an automated spam detection robot and flagged the first blog as a possible spam. It wont let me do anything with it. The other blog I created at the same time using the same email, although for another AI contestant, was also flagged as a possible spam, even though I haven't had the chance to write any post for it.

I created the 2nd Asia'h blog using a different email address. Yesterday it was OK even though the first blog was already slapped, I was able to make 3 posts on this 2nd blog. This morning, I looked and it was also flagged as a possible spam. I'm not sure but I think it was because I took the article I wrote in the first Asia'h blog and then copied it to this second blog. Or, maybe, they were able to check my IP. Or, maybe, I might have too many "Asia'h Epperson" keywords on the post.

Don't know really the cause as I saw another Asia'h blog (not by me) flagged as spam too. Maybe, they saw too many Asia'h blogs created at the same time.

What do you think?

Thanks. I'm learning a lot from this project.
Xel

1st blog
http:// asiah-epperson-fan.blogspot.com/

2nd blog
http:// asiah-epperson-latest-news.blogspot.com/

Grizzly Brears said...

Dennis,

I'm beginning to wonder if this wasn't such a good idea. It's been a while since I had any trouble with Blogger and it sounds like they have changed their flagging procedures. In the past you could be flagged and still post new content or delete the blog - you just had to fill in the captcha each time. It doesn't sound like that option is there anymore.

Perhaps the sudden creation of too many Asia'h blogs set off a new spam filter - it would make sense. This didn't exist before and spammers using auto software could create hundreds of blogs at a time targeting the same keywords. It sounds like they have found a way to combat this. As I said I haven't done any black hatting with blogger in quite some time or I would have known about the changes.

This development definitely changes things and puts everyone at a disadvantage which is hardly fair.

If everyone would rather I stop this little challenge and come up with something different please let me know. I'll leave it up to you folks - we can keep going or come up with a new plan.

Give me your thoughts.

Grizzly Brears said...

Aravind,

No need to apologize, you aren't troubling me at all.

Grizzly Brears said...

Mike,

If you have a copy of SEO Elite then definitely wipe the dust off - it is a great tool once you figure it out. Just a note you may have to get all the updates for it to get it working properly if you haven't run it in a while.

Grizzly Brears said...

Frank,

You are correct and this may have happened in conjunction to my comment to Dennis.

I'm hoping Asia'h doesn't show up - not sure how well she would take my blog. lol. It did suck that she got bounced so soon though...

Grizzly Brears said...

Garrett, (Gotafish)

Glad to hear you are getting a few links - that's 90% of the task.

Grizzly Brears said...

Fiar,

Great info Fiar - thanks for the tip. If most of you haven't figured directories out yet - they are mostly concerned about building their own PR and not yours.

Grizzly Brears said...

Dennis,

Warez huh?

You old hacker... never would have guessed.

Grizzly Brears said...

Xel,

Thanks for filling us in. As I said to Dennis above it looks like Blogger is probably the culprit.

Again, let me know how you all feel about continuing with this. Elliot pointed out in an email to me that I didn't say you had to use a new blog to do this. You can attempt this with an established site.

Whatever you folks decide is fine with me.

xel said...

Hi Griz,

I'm fine with the flagging of my 2 blogs. I think its a good way to understand how Blogger works. I'm planning to do some experiment on it to find out the reason. I got too many questions in my head.

I don't really have any established blog yet. I'm fine whatever the others and you decide on this. I'm not really in for the money. (sounds corny, but true). I took the challenged because I know I will learn from it. Plus, the bragging rights if I outrank you ... LOL

Grizzly Brears said...

Xel,

You have the right attitude. I'm all about bragging rights!

I'd love to see someone kick my ass... but... can you... lol.

DennisJr said...

Grizz,

It's your cash. So, if you think it's a good idea to stop then maybe we should or do something new, it's your call.

However, I don't think it would be fair to the people that haven't had theirs flagged. I am especially interested to see how the person with hubpages does.

As far as warez and the dead cow It was a learning experience I want to apply legally(grey). That's why I really bought into yours and Vics processes.

In the end what ever your decision I am sure we will all learn, which is what evey one wants to accomplish, atleast I do..

My only thing about the Asia'h blog was I would prefer to be able to monetize somthing that I worked on.

xel said...

Hi Griz,

That's the million dollar question .. LOL .. can I kick your ass? LOL ..

I'll probably go at it even if somebody else was able to do that. Of course, without neglecting my other projects.

Mine is probably an uphill climb as I don't have any PR2+ blogs that can give me that perfect backlink you described in your old post.

For now, the way I see it. I can build backlinks by commenting on other blogs, forum sigs, beg (ask nicely) other bloggers (with high PR) to write a post and give me some linklove. Or, write an article at GOARTICLES and hope somebody with a good PR site download it.

yc said...

Guys, if your blog was flagged and you really want it reinstated, go to the Google groups for Login Issues the Blogger employees have set up some spreadsheet for people to list their blogs whom they feel were hard done by. But before you really want to do that, make sure it really is a genuine case.

Grizz I still think it's a good exercise especially for people to get their hands dirty even though now using the Blogger platform will be tougher. There's no better way to learn than to actually do it rather than just reading and thinking. But I guess it might be some time now before anything happens hehehe

I saw your blog bumped down a notch. By this site. LOL

Stephen said...

Fiar,

Thanks for the tip; I have also got the same info from directory submitter, too as well as the last recorded page rank of each directory - it is desigened to be SEO friendly (and this is the free version of DS that I'm referring to).

Griz,

Wow, I can't believe what a difference the right motivation can make: I have thrown my hat into the ring - as much for the notoriety of going up against fellow comment posters on your blog as much as for the cash, but for personal reasons (read 'covering my a$$') I have decide to resist the urge to link it to my profile here. I have followed some of Court's advice on throwing my blog together as well.
Before this new challenge, I was just playing around really trying out some of the different strategies you have been teaching us about, but now you have got me to move past this, become more disciplined and take things more seriously. My next work will be of a more serious nature.

Thanks for the kick in the pants. ;)

Stephen said...

Grizz,

Forgot a couple of things:

* did you hear that Vic called upon you in one of his recent BU vlogs about blogger? He wanted you to let him know if he was right about what he was saying about current blogger practises?

*Blogger generator: Vic was discussing it (sounds pretty borderline black hat to me), but is it poss that it no longer would work if they are indeed tightening up on things there?

Thanks again.

gotafish said...

page 3 and climbing.
everyone else can just give up now :) And yes I want your money I'm greedy!!! Just kidding you can stop the contest it is your money. I'm sure not coming all the way up there in that cold to get it.
Gotafish

Denise said...

I am good with whatever you decide. I am going to keep doing what I am to see if I can't beat you anyway. Just to test what I have learned from you.

Dennis, I am sorry this shit happened to you. That is such a low blow. Hope all works out well with you. I had one of my blogger blogs flagged as well. I still have not gotten it back.

RT Cunningham said...

A great challenge, but not one I want to attempt. :-)

I'm sitting back and watching.

Jaredl said...

hi Griz,
I am cool whichever way you would like to run the contest. 1 hour after I created the hubpage on asia'h, I found my hubpage on page 9 of google search for "asia'h epperson". However it is now nowhere to be found :(

Currently I am trying to build some backlinks to the page by commenting on blogs, posting on directories. I am also tinkering with articles submission.

I have also tried to check what are the backlinks that your asia'h blog has :P so as to try to beat it..

My desired outcome from this effort would be evidence that building backlinks and building niche sites can work. This would give me conviction to get off my butt and start to try to dominate some niches using hubpage or blog sites...

btw. Griz, you should take a look at your payday blog page. I had sent you an email before. I suspect that your pics have been hacked cos it is showing "porn site" instead. Any rewards? hint hint..i got a make money site that needs backlinks too..lol

Grizzly Brears said...

Dennis,

I think that we'll keep the challenge going as there are lot's of ways to do this without a new Blogger blog. I just didn't want people spending any money on this. Using existing domains and hubpages etc should suffice or getting creative with a free platform.

As for monetization the site can be used to funnel traffic elsewhere or to target other AI contestants with new posts. I'm still getting 150 visits a day to the blog and would normally funnel it elsewhere.

I will see this out till we have a winner but I'll see if I can't come up with a new challenge for next time that keeps us all under the radar.

Grizzly Brears said...

Xel,

PR is nice but getting enough low PR Keyword Anchored links can kick ass over high PR sites. Keep at it.

Grizzly Brears said...

YC,

Normally I would have said to ask Blogger for a review but it will be hard explaining the legitimacy of a blog aimed at a now defunct contestant. This would take some creative groveling and probably not worth the effort.

I haven't checked the serp's lately but if this site has outranked the Asia'h blog then I guess I WIN!

haha... kidding folks.

Grizzly Brears said...

Stephen,

Court's advice will never hurt you and given the target his sniping system is ready made for this kind of challenge.

Which Vlog on Vic's site? He is pumping out videos faster than I can keep up with.

I have mended my ways and as such I have stayed away from Blogger Generator. If it does what I think it does ala Voodoo Blogger and several other Blog generation programs then it will not likely sneak past the new flagging system on blogger. Having said that I'm sure some of the more persistent black hatters will find a work around - they always do.

Grizzly Brears said...

Gotafish,

We'll keep going - the money is just sitting here gathering dust.

Come and get it...

Grizzly Brears said...

Denise,

Since all of you are intent on kicking my ass anyway there is no reason to stop. Good luck.

Grizzly Brears said...

RT,

Not biting huh?

and you with a PR5 at your disposal - a lucky break for the rest.

Glad to have you back RT.

Grizzly Brears said...

Jared,

If you made page 9 then you will be back - keep posting and building links and G will stop bouncing you around.

I am very curious as to how effective those Hub pages are.

Could you give me some specifics on the "porn" thing - URL? I checked but didn't find anything but am a little concerned.

Jaredl said...

Hi Griz,
It is on the first blog post of the "Payday loans" case study. payday-loans

I presumed you were not trying for the phrase " how to make money with a porn site?"

but this phrase is showing on the 5th-8th screenshots..see the links below

screenshot1
screenshot2
screenshot3
screenshot4

aravind said...

Hi Griz,
i saw a few backlinks that u sent for me from good pr sites.........
I have no other allowance other than the artilce sites for which i have to rewrite the articles every day.............
do u think that this works out and takes me to the first page or is it waste of time........

Dennisjr said...

Griz,
Do you know if posting to the same forums over and over continues to pass G-juice. For instance, I registered at about 10 forums. I posted a couple of weeks ago. Is it worth my time to post to the same forums again?

Thanks
-D

xel said...

Hi Griz,

I saw my 2nd blog unflagged last night. So, I'm at it again.

I guess one thing that's going for me is the fact that I'm a fan of her and the show.

Grizzly Brears said...

Jared,

Now I understand. I was showing screenshots of what could happen if you use a keyword carelessly. I had mentioned the term in question in a post rather flippantly and the next day this blog was ranking quite high in the serp's for it. Not to worry - I haven't been hacked but thanks for the heads up anyway.

Grizzly Brears said...

Aravind,

The more article sites the better. You want as many links as you can muster - good or crappy - doesn't matter. Using articles will give you the chance of being picked up and posted on other sites as well increasing your links that much more. You are doing things properly - stay with it.

Grizzly Brears said...

Dennis,

As long as the forums are do-follow then post away. There isn't a lot of juice to be had from forums but some juice is better than none at all. It is quite natural to have lot's of recurring links from forums so don't worry about having too many from the same source (different threads count as different links). At worst G will just ignore them. Don't spend all your time on these however.

Grizzly Brears said...

Xel,

Glad to hear you were released. Now we know it was auto-flagged and not because someone reported you. They would not have done a manual review without a request if you had been reported.

Dennisjr said...

Thanks Griz,
My blog is still flagged. I have only been posting to forums that allow me to optimize my keyword rather than just a link. And of course, they are do-follow.

In your expereince How much weight does yahoo answers have?

gotafish said...

Google is so fickle I just got booted from page 3 clear back to page 12,:) On a positive note my fishing site is sitting #4 now

Stephen said...

Grizz,

I think it was Vic's vlog about blogger generator or one of his first couple vlogs on adsense - whichever, he was basically saying that he would expect that you know more about how to go about someting on blogger than he. (in a nutshell)

Grizzly Brears said...

Dennis,

Yahoo Answers uses no-follow so it's link juice is nill but it is a good source of targeted traffic.

I have been getting project payday traffic from it for over a year and I make about $100 a week from the leads I send. Yahoo answers has provided a lot of that traffic.

If you provide the best answer for a popular topic you will be surprised at how much traffic you will generate. This traffic isn't like social traffic - they are looking for something specific which makes monetization so much easier.

Grizzly Brears said...

Gotafish,

As long as they are shuffling you around you are in play - keep posting fresh content and links and your ranking will begin to settle down. Kudos on the fishing site!

Grizzly Brears said...

Stephen,

Thanks, I'll go and hunt down the vlog and see what he is referring to.

gumbi said...

Ok, Griz, sorry ahead of time for this.

You know who you are. You submitted my blogger blog for this little opportunity by Griz as a "spam" blog. I can understand you being a cheap bastard, that's fine.

You really suck since you submitted my main site as a spam site, and the Asia'h post I did on it as a spam post.

Karma is a bitch, you suck balls, and you will get what comes to you someday.

...end rant...

If you have a problem with this, please contact me through my main site:

ejcross.com

aravind said...

Hi Griz,
I'm posting to articles site every day.............I'm rewriting the articles every day.........
is it necessary to rewrite an article each time we submit it to a new article site or can we can use the same rewritten content for all the article sites that I'm interested in submitting.

Terry said...

Hey Griz,

Strange thing are a-happenin'

Seeing Elliott's recent frustration added to a lot of other strange things, I'm suspicious that someone at Google is probably watching this blog as well as keeping an eagle eye on Vic.

By association, I get the impression anyone commenting in here and over at BU may be firmly fixed in the same radar.

Too many coincidences of flagged and de-indexed blogger blogs and cry-wolf shouts of spam...

I'm not immune either - I set up a page on my honest blog especially for this (ok I admit it) to act as a link to a new blogger blog also set up for the same purpose. It was indexed quickly as I knew it would be, but a couple days later was suddenly de-indexed.

Some of my squidoo lenses also got de-indexed - and of course all my blogger blogs under this userid have been drowned...

I have many others, of course in different accounts that have escaped unscathed, which shows that whoever is targeting us is only getting at the sites and blogs that are easy to find.

Maybe the surveillance began a while ago and came to light with the infamous ant's ass scatchin' episode!

Since then I've seen some of my latest domain acquisitions do strange things - mostly bad strange as opposed to good strange...

I recently bought a 9 year old solid PR4 domain and put it in a sweet niche - I've been working on it slowly and it climbed to the top of page 2 and looked about to break onto the front page. I withheld monetization as I was being patient waiting for the right moment. So to help it along, I submit it to Vic's new directory and two days later BAM! its gone. PR gone, and de-indexed! Ouch!

Too many coincidences...

DennisJr said...

Griz,

I Sent you an email about Terry's comments. Subject line is "Terry comments"

DennisJr said...

Terry,
I made a comment on your domain name. You may want to check it out with the recent happening around here. It's just a suggestion.

-D

Terry said...

Thanks Dennis, got it and did as you suggested.

Ok, its pretty much locking the stable door after the horse has bolted, but I'll do the same with my other accounts just in case...

yc said...

What's happening dennis? You guys are scaring me.

bob said...

Griz,

I'm up for the challenge. Are you saying as soon as I rank above your site you'll send $500 in my pay pal?

DennisJr said...

YC, don't worry.

However, everyone using blogger make sure you are only showing sites that will pass the spam test if you are flagged. Hence, you look at my name and it's not linked. However, if it was linked you would only see the sites I want you to see.
If You click on the names of terry & bob they are showing their sites. I really didn't want to share this out in the open and cause people problems if some loser is being malicious. However, if Grizz can communicate this in another way so be it..

Fiar said...

Stephen, Sure thing. I'm glad I could help.

Grizz, One thing I wanted to mention about the post itself. I've been using the things you teach here. I may not be doing the type of sites yet that make good money, at least without being a big flagship, but for me, it's the best way to get started.

I have a site with over 1000 pages, and it's all about the ego and teh love of doing that site, but I never knew anything about keywords and seo.

Now I've been implementing the techniques on that site, and I see the difference.

It's one way of following the advice not to set your sights too high and wind up giving up.

I'm sticking with the site no matter what, because it's my passion, so what better way to find out if what I am doing will work. It's way better than starting a new one, and getting sandboxed, having no PR, starting from scratch, and constantly wondering if what I'm doing is having any effect.

That said, you did throw down the gauntlet, and it's time to pick it up. I'm probably going to stay out of the Asia'h challenge specifically, but I need to get started on some niche sites.

Dennisjr said...

A success,
I made it to the front page for a long tail keyword. first time ever on the front page. However, I have to use quotes to find it. It's on the second page without quotes. Although it's not the keyword I want on the first page it's still a success.

Grizz
Any quick suggestions or tricks to move it to the front page without quotes, or do I have to thumble through all your posts again ;o).

Grizzly Brears said...

Hi Folks,

Sorry for the delay. I'm still not convinced that there is a concerted attempt to undermine everyone but it could be happening on a smaller scale. I need a little more info.

Elliot,

How do you know the post on your main site was flagged as spam? Btw. your blogger site isn't spam - ask for a review. What are you spamming? There is no monitization. The content is real. I don't see a reason for blogger to ban the site so I think some of you who have been flagged and have legitimate content should ask ask for an explanation.

Terry,

A lot has happened to your sites but I'm having a hard time connecting the dots. If the blogger blogs were spam so be it - if they weren't ask for an explanation.

The squidoo lenses would require a lot of work for someone to track them down - if you have mentioned them here I don't know where to begin to try and find them. I suspect a lot of what is happening is just G cleaning house with the changes to the algorithm. I'm not saying you haven't been targeted but they have made some major changes to the rankings and squidoo is not a G favorite anymore. On a side note I have noticed that wikipedia isn't a shoe in anymore either. Your 9 yr old domain has me a bit stumped though. The thing is that Vic's sites are not likely on the radar - we all know about them but G isn't likely to have noticed them. Also, he isn't doing anything that would get him or his readers in trouble anyway. The sites are legit. I haven't checked out his new directory yet but having your link on a directory shouldn't cause a problem. I am assuming that the 9 YR Old site was legit and as such there was no reason for it to be de-indexed?

What I am seeing is that G is indexing sites, ranking them, shuffling them around a lot - sometimes de-indexing them but usually re-indexing them a short time later and eventually finding a more permanent spot for them.

Keep in mind that they are in the process of removing the supplemental index and I think the strange behaviour is a byproduct of all the changes being made internally. It appears that the bots are crawling sites in stages and each round you are being gauged on different criteria. They have millions of sites being re-classified and weeded out so it will take a while until we see the rankings settle down. I may be wrong as I am making an educated guess but this is what I am seeing happen to a lot of my sites - old and new.

If someone is on a rampage then it's worth remembering that if everyone produces quality posts then there is no reason for G or blogger to do anything. People can report sites all they want but as long as your site passes a visual inspection then they are wasting their time and G's. The same goes for Blogger. Xel had a site flagged as spam but it was released a few days later.

My advice is if any of you are confident that your site is legit then ask for a review or at least an explanation of what you did wrong. This will help take the guess work out of this and the info is well worth having for future reference.

I love a conspiracy as much as the next guy but there are too many things happening that don't fit together logically. It just strikes me as an enormous amount of work for someone to be tracking down all these sites and then presenting G with a rational reason for taking action against them all. More of a stretch is that G would jump to the gun because of a disgruntled blogger. If G was that easy to manipulate I would have eliminated all my competition ages ago. They are not known for responding quickly if at all to complaints - there are sites scrapping my posts constantly and in spite of my queries G hasn't done a damn thing about them. Why would they give a dam about a few blogs posting stories about Asia'h Epperson.

Anyway, I know you get tired of me saying this but patience - let's see what happens in a few days. If your sites are legit then things should correct themselves. Again I urge a few of you to submit requests for review or an explanation.

Grizzly Brears said...

Bob,

That is the challenge. You have to rank for the term specified and hold your position for a week.

Grizzly Brears said...

Everyone again,

In future it is probably a good idea to keep your url's to yourself. If you need me to see it then email it to me and leave a comment regarding the email so I can find it.

Grizzly Brears said...

Fiar,

I talk about setting up new blogs a lot and don't mention enough the fact that my SEO tips are perfect for existing sites. By re-editing old posts that are already indexed and even have PR you will be surprised at how quickly you can get them moved up in the serp's. I can't emphasize this enough - most of you have great content - you just need to tweak your posts for better optimization. This is what I was trying to explain to the fellows over at PopCritics. Never abandon an aged site - just fix them.

Grizzly Brears said...

Dennis,

Yes you have to read every single post and take notes...


hehehe...

Oh alright - send me the url and keywords in a email and let me take a look. If I don't steal them or report you to G I may have a few suggestions. Lol.

Mike Pedersen Golf said...

Griz,

Just a "heads-up" I sent an email the other day :) but I'm sure I'm at the bottom of 500 emails at this point...LOL.

You are creating quite the monster with this blog, but I have told you I would pay you for your time (not thousands though) but you keep declining.

I am very motivated to take my online business(s) to the next level, but still after all these years need a 'little' help.

Mike

Mike Pedersen Golf said...

Quick question.

In regards to comparing LV and BS, do you write unique posts for each submission you make? How long is each post? Do you write them yourself? I get someone to write mine for LV and then I manually enter them.

I'd really like to know if you think there is any benefit for me to have both services.

Thanks,
Mike

Dennisjr said...

Grizz,

LOL... it would hurt for me to go back and read. That's one of the only thing I don't like about Vic's Vlog. It hard to review quickly..

I emailed you my info. Subject line is "Dennisjr-blogsite. As far as conspiriciacys. I am not worried about it.

I was suggesting people hide some of thier blog sites in their blogger profile. If someone wanted to be malicious they could click on "spam" on all blogger sites listed in the blogger profile. Just another pain in the ass thing to deal with.

aravind said...

Hi Griz,
I'm posting to articles site every day.............I'm rewriting the articles every day.........
is it necessary to rewrite an article each time we submit it to a new article site or can we can use the same rewritten content for all the article sites that I'm interested in submitting.

Grizzly Brears said...

Mike,

I just found the email and will be talking about affiliate sales in a new post but to give you a quick answer I don't have a criteria for what affiliate programs I choose - I just create a site for them all or use existing sites if relevant. Some work and some don't but using clickbank as an example I just target every new thing that comes along and see how it goes. Remember I use free blogs so I'm not out any cash. There is a lot more too it than this and I will explain better in the post.

There are two reasons I don't want your money - time and I would just be regurgitating stuff that I'm telling everyone on here for free. I have a few secrets left but I'm not quite ready to part with them yet. They would probably get people in trouble anyway. Seriously Mike if I had the time I would give it to you for nothing anyway.

I use unique posts for BS and I've been having them done by LV for their posts. Not bad. I'm finding the two programs are effective. If you go this route don't use them for everything - keep them away from sites you don't want to lose. Just a hunch that they will leave enough of a footprint that G will shut them down one day. Just be cautious.

Grizzly Brears said...

Dennis,

I got your email and will get back to you with a few suggestions.

Grizzly Brears said...

Aravind,

I re-write all my articles but you can use the same one if you wish. Unique content has a better chance of getting indexed quicker and has some other benefits but not a major concern. This gets a bit complicated to explain here but for your purposes just get the links.

-Stephen- said...

Grizz,

Wow (sorry I seem to be saying that a lot recently)I almost expect Mulder and Scully to sneak into the big G with flashlights after dark lol
Seriously though, I agree with you about Google; Vic recently posted a link to a supposed google white paper on site content and how to hudge it as good or bad. The fact that they needed a paper like this for their employees makes me think they are less than quick to root out sites without prodding; also they seem to be pretty lenient on judging a site to have legit content (very interesting reading, for sure).
As I read fellow posters comments I was saying to myself, "that's why I have stopped linking to any of my sites that I really dont want to lose!" - also why I comment with my name and NOT my blogger id.
At least some of your contestants have been indexed at some point: almost a week after creating my Asia'h blog and - nada, no indexing (and thats with successful (read accepted)directory submission to some PR 3,4 and 5 directories. But I am a patient man.
Lastly, Grizz, have you considered moving this blog over to a hosted domain and paying for it with your affiliate stuff just so it cant be 'disappeared' by the big G?

Thanks for your time as always. =)

(hey did I just double comment this?)

Fiar said...

What I am seeing is that G is indexing sites, ranking them, shuffling them around a lot - sometimes de-indexing them but usually re-indexing them a short time later and eventually finding a more permanent spot for them.

On the flipside to all the complaints, I was bouncing back and forth between 24 and 41 for one of my keywords, then today I shot up to 17. Page 2!

Like you said. Don't obsess over the particulars. It will get there if your writing good content.

Mike Pedersen Golf said...

Thanks Griz! I have been using LV for most of my sites. Hope that doesn't cause a problem. Do you think I should add BS to my link building approach, or do you think LV is enough.

Greg said...

Hi Griz,

Would you mind clarifying that comment regarding not using BS/LV with sites you don't want to lose. Did you mean just both of them together?

Thanks

Greg

Internet Marketer said...

Wow you've had some great success.
What a great post you've made. I can just imagine how many people have kept on reading it over and over. I know I did.

You've made some great points and facts about making money online.

You definitely need good quality content for blogs and websites. The most important thing as well is SEO ( Search Engine Optimization ) In my opinion that's a goal and something people should all work for no matter what, in any niche you may be involved in. You conquer that niche with good content, you optimize it, you gain the reward, GOOD Pageranking and best of all FREE Traffic.

In my opinion Internet Marketing is all about SEO. Do this well, rank high, tons of traffic and your money will start flowing in.

I think you'll have quite a few people take you up on your $500 offer. You have a great blog and I know many people will learn a great deal from you.

What a great post, will come back again and again.

Sincerely,

Jamie Boyle
Internet Marketer

Terry said...

I just cottoned on that this could be a very good place to start any rumour you want and have it spread like wildfire within minutes... LMAO!!

Ok, maybe I was seeing little green men behind every tree...

I'm sure there's a logical explanation for the to-ings and fro-ings of my sites.

None of the blogger blogs (or my own self hosted sites) are spam sites - I create every one with real content and let them age a bit before monetising.

That 9 yo site just re-appeared in the index but is nowhere in the SERPs. There were no ads on it at all, just content, so that one's a mystery that I'm sure will solve itself in good time.

I'll leave the cloak and dagger stuff to Mulder and Scully and get on with making more free blogs - with lots of different accounts.

I've had to build a big excel file to keep track of them all what with all the different names, passwords etc, so bollocks to any malicious asshole!

I'm toying with the idea of placing a piece of code over the "flag" button to capture the perpetrators IP and account details - then Karma may find itself coming back at the bastards quicker than they expected...

madWAHM said...

Griz,

I am very interested in seeing a working example of how you set up and optimize for your affiliate sales/leads sites.

I've been playing in the affiliate marketing arena for a long time and would be LOVE to see you in action.

Better yet, how about doing one of your posts with a detailed step-by-step?

Do you pre-sell your affiliate products by submitting articles to article directories like ezinearticles that link to your affiliate sales blog?

And, how about those blogs? Are your creating multiple posts on those blogs that keep linking to your affiliate sales links?

So many questions I have!???????

Thanks for any time and consideration you can give to my questions.

BTW- you are NOT wasting your time on this blog. I would be devastated to see you turn this blog into something else. I always look forward to reading your work and ALWAYS learn new things.

Jim's Words Music and Science said...

I made my way here from bloggingzoom. I have read your article and about half of the comments.

I appreciate the advice you offer and will read through your archives.

I do not blog to make money. I blog for two reasons: I wanted to practice writing on nontechnical subjects that interest me (fiction and crime fiction) and I wanted to help people understand confusing environmental issues, using my technical background but writing for the general reader.

I don't even put ads on my environmental blog. This may change someday.

I do have ads on my fiction blog. I've made about $8 since September. I don't really understand how to use adsense, though I use it on the fiction blog, so I'm sure that is part of my problem.

I am not whining about my lack of money-making from these blogs. They are a lot of fun. My pages show up on the first or second page of Google searches in some instances, though they don't in many other instances, and have also been syndicated by Reuters and a number of large newspapers and news services (including Fox, though I almost never get any clicks from Fox website readers-too liberal, I guess).

So, thanks for your help. I understand why the whining masses can be tiresome.

Many of us actually believe in our content for its own sake. If people consider that the be foolish or a sign of a midlife crisis, I'd simply say that it is like any other hobby.

I zoomed your article.

Best wishes, Jim (chemrat), from nearly nothing but novels and chemistry for a sustainable world.

Internet Junkie said...

I started blogging last october when I didn't know anything about blogs; I have certainly learned a lot since.
I agree that Internet marketers make more money than bloggers and have been looking more and more into affiliate marketing; I'd like to see one of your affiliate blogs and see how it's done.
I went through your adsense lessons and went Waow! but still did not act on them.
How I can start applying your advice while maintaining my blog/attempts to earn affiliate commissions is my own problem I guess.
Thanks for that straight-talking post.

Dennisjr said...

Grizz,

Have you or anyone else for that matter used the surveys blogger offers? It seems like this would be an excellent way to legitimately stuff keywords on your blog.?

Frank C said...

Dennis - I've added this poll/survey feature to some of my new, as yet unmonetized, niche blogs. I guess I'll see if it has any impact.

I also have a profile picture (using an appropriate character from my large stock photo collection), archives and labels in the sidebar. I'm a bit leary about adding additional visitor click opportunities but it does give an air of legitimacy to the blog.

Anonymous said...

Well, my blogger blog just got spam flagged, though it has no ads on it, just three articles. I'm petitioning it.

kristy-lee-cook-fan.blogspot.com

In other news, it's indexed - don't know where though. :)

gotafish said...

I use the poll on most all of my blogs when I first start them. Kind of like the about me section just makes it look more like a normal blog in my opinion. Cant say for certain its added much other than an extra keyword or two. Hasnt helped index them any quicker or anything. I'm getting free wordpress blogs indexed in 1-2 days taking over a week on blogger blogs.

aravind said...

Hi Griz,
I have a small request from my side..............hope u'll help me..............previously my blog used to rotate in the front pages but now it got setteled in the last pages and it not moving from there.........
Can you please try sending some more backlinks for my blog..........a small help for a poor guy.....

Anonymous said...

Hi Griz

I'm onto your idol challenge but I hope I can make it cos my site's bandwidth exceeded for the month and my crappy host suspended my account outright instead of letting me buy more bandwidth. I should be back on 1 April...then I'm coming after you!

Anyways I'm really sorry to hear about your Picker site...gosh...you try to help people and they just stab you in the back. Unbelievable!!

A couple of my new blogger sites in other niches got flagged as possible spam blogs almost immediately after registering so I think blogger is randomly filtering blogs with possible spam word niches. A few have been released while others are still "under review" I don't know until when.

Griz you should start a forum...it would work with hardly any effort...and also provide another source of income...how I don't know...you're the expert. :D

Mambo

Houston said...

Hi Grizz,

do you mind explaining abit more in detail about buying backlink? I don't know what is backlink. Thanks Thank, Thank You So Much!

Houston

Jared said...

it is demoralizing when my page has disappeared from google..i even tried searching using asia'h epperson site:hubpages.com and my hubpage is not showing up at all..

Does anyone have any advice on what has happened?

Anonymous said...

oh...one more thing...are you actually Brad Callen?

mambo

Grizzly Brears said...

Stephen,

Sorry for the delay - had a busy day yesterday and my satellite feed was buggering up to boot.

When this challenge is over we can all have a little chat and compare notes on what people tried to do in order to get 1) indexed and 2) ranked higher in the serp's. Hopefully it will become clear as to what works and what doesn't.

As for moving this blog to a self hosted Domain; That would undermine the whole point of this blog in the first place. This site runs contrary to just about everything you read from the so called "experts" and know-it-alls who continuously spout crap about what you have to do to create a successful blog. I like slapping this "ugly free blog" in their face as I call bullshit. It proves that you don't need all the bells and whistles to succeed nor do you need to spend a lot of money.

I may start a new self hosted blog in order to discuss some issues that I would rather not discuss on this site though. Anyway - I don't use Blogger because I'm too cheap to pay for a hosted site - I use it simply to make a point.

DennisJr said...

Thanks Grizz for the double indexing lesson,

I was watching the news last night and they addressed a topic in one of my niches. So, after ripping the laptop away from my wife I whipped up an article, and I currently hold the second and third position on the first page for my keyword.

I checked my stats and people I starting to flood in. However, I am still mystified at how I search for a term without quotes and I can't find it anywhere on the first 12+ pages

Dennisjr said...

Grizz,
I really like your point about using free blogs. My goal is to not to invest one dime in software until I manually figure this out.

Then I plan on reinvesting all my money to get the software we all discuss.

LOL, maybe I'll be one of these gurus someday that talks about how to make money without spending a dime. LOL.. ya never know

Grizzly Brears said...

Fiar,

That's exactly the point of all this - do things right, have some patience and watch what G does. The more relevant content you have the more G has to index and the more authority it will give you. The top spot goes to the site with the most keyword authority on any topic (in G's opinion that is) and not necessarily to the site with the highest PR.

Grizzly Brears said...

Mike,

I plan on doing a post about BS and LV but probably not on this blog. I will set it up elsewhere and let everyone know. Anyone interested send me an email with "BS and LV link" in the subject. When it's ready I will send the link.

Grizzly Brears said...

Greg,

See my comment to Mike above...

Grizzly Brears said...

Jamie,

Your comment comes across as spam. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. If I don't see you back "again and again" your link may well disappear...

Kathryn said...

Hey Griz,

I'm hooked on your site. I'm a blogger and I've been reading about how even I can make money online. Only recently did I realize that there is more to it than "they" have been telling me.

I'm working as a freelance writer to make money and slowly building up my unique visits on my own blog.

I intend to dig farther into your posts to see if I can finally find that key that I've been looking for.

Thanks!

Grizzly Brears said...

Terry,

There is nothing wrong with being cautious. I had several visitors from Blogger.com during the "Ants scratching" post and sure enough the quick indexing trick hasn't worked since. Coincidence? Probably not. Unfortunately this blog has got a bit too noticeable in a niche that is highly suspect to begin with so I will be using a different site for more contentious issues in future.

The idea of a forum has been brought up in the comments and I can't see me running one but the thought occurred to me that you already have one set up - how would you feel about using it for under the radar topics? I understand completely if you aren't interested.

Let me know in an email if you would like to kick around some ideas.

Grizzly Brears said...

MadWAHM,

I am working on the Affiliate sales post - step by step outlined as you requested. Hopefully it will address your questions and then some.

Grizzly Brears said...

Jim,

I probably don't point this out enough. My methods aren't just for people who are trying to make money online. I am really trying to explain how to get any type of site to the top of the serp's. Social bloggers tend to think that social networks are their best option. Unfortunately they don't bother with SEO at all and only get a fraction of the traffic they could have. If you aren't trying to make money then targeting both social and search traffic is the way to go - not one or the other.

Dennisjr said...

Grizz interesting enough the post I wrote last night was indexed fairly quickly. Some of my posts to the blog I emailed you earlier had not even been indexed. However, the one I did last night made it this morning (10hrs). Do you think Is it because it was a highly searched term from a news breaking story?

The only problem is had not put adsense on my blog until last night. I am still not getting the ads I should be??

Grizzly Brears said...

Internet Junkie,

One of the reasons for this post and challenge is to get people to stop dreaming and start doing. A lot of people have been paralyzed by over-reading, they have digested so much stuff from so many sources that they have become overwhelmed and have convinced themselves that it is just too hard and that there is too much to learn.

This blog is for beginners - hence the free blogger platform. I have tried to cut out all the crap and show people the bare minimum needed to start up an online business. Everything I talk about can be done for free, you can start right now and you don't need any technical skills other than knowing how to cut and paste and a little html (how to create a hypertext link) which isn't hard.

As I've said many times - this blog is a prime example of what anyone can do online. It's free, it isn't fancy, I don't post very often, it doesn't involve plugins or coding and I don't have to spend time chasing social traffic. A successful blog can be broken down to just two ingredients; Content and SEO. Write useful content and rank well in the serp's - that's all you need.

When this challenge is done I am going to discuss the absolute bare minimum needed to dominate the serp's. I just want to see if anyone has figured it out.

Grizzly Brears said...

Dennis and Frank,

I've not used the surveys. As Frank mentioned, when trying to make money you don't want your visitors straying from the main focal point - an ad or affiliate link. I suppose I could try it on a blog like this or on any social site but my comments section seems to provide a lot of input from my visitors without the need to survey them. lol.

Grizzly Brears said...

Anonymous,

Those of you asking for an explanation re: being flagged, please let us all know what reasons you are given when petitioning. Thanks

Grizzly Brears said...

Gotafish,

Are your Blogger blogs monetized at start up? I should mention that getting indexed in a week is pretty quick compared to the old days - you could wait several weeks or months not that long ago. Google has actually improved this a lot in the past year.

Grizzly Brears said...

Aravind,

Not to worry, there are more links coming. You don't want too many too fast - slow and easy. Things have to look natural.

Grizzly Brears said...

Mambo,

Ask for a review if your blogs are legit. I will have to create some new taboo keyword blogs and see what Blogger is up to first hand. I haven't been in trouble with them in ages and haven't kept up on their filters. I can't believe I just said I want to get in trouble but you have to stay informed. Lol.

See my comment to Terry re: the forum idea.

Grizzly Brears said...

Houston,

I think I'll discuss your question elsewhere when I post the BS and LV link post. If interested send an email as described above.

Grizzly Brears said...

Jared,

I've talked about the index-de-index thing earlier in the comments. Browse through until you find it but basically, relax, it's normal and you should reappear in a few days. (assuming your content is original and not keyword stuffed.)

Just be patient and keep adding good content.

Fiar said...

Grizz, I was going to suggest a google group for some of the "under the radar" things. It looks like some of us are on the same wavelength.

The good thing about G groups is that it's free, which is consistent with the theme of this site, but at the same time, you can make it a private forum.

If anything happens, you know it's a member, and not some unknown lurker. Also, there's the possibility to use a range of notification options. Members can be notified of all messages all the way to no notification at all.

It seems like a good solution that is in keeping with the objective of this site.

Fiar said...

Oh, yeah. Rule #1, of course would be:

What happens in the group STAYS in the group.

Grizzly Brears said...

Mambo,

Am I actually Brad Callen?

I wish. I have been asked that more than once and I suppose it's because I am a big fan of his products. Not using an affiliate link when mentioning SEO and Keyword Elite probably makes people think this but I am not Brad Callen. I don't use an affiliate link because they are clickbank products and you should all use your own link and save $50. If any of you are just dying to send me money I can always put an affiliate link in the sidebar! Lol.

BTW - when I use an affiliate link it's only when you can't sign up under your own link so you can either give me a few bucks or give the owners all the money. ie. You can't save a few bucks - like Backlink Solutions.

Keep in mind I do test different products on this site but they are aimed at all the search traffic I get. If you are one of my readers don't buy anything without checking with me first.

Dennisjr said...

Grizz,
If you do it slow is it OK to submit to Directories. I found this free software and read their free ebook and the seem to be in-line with alot of what you say.

I am trying to find a quicker way to build links. If you have chance can let me know what you think
www.fastdirectorysubmitter.com

It's really easy to use and they give you the option to set as many as 10 different keywords with a description. It kind reminds me of what BMD is supposed to do except this is for directories. I started out the other day submitting to about 10 a day plus forums.

Dinheiro said...

Grizzly, another great post, and i agree with your point, completly. I supose this is a repeat question, but i'll ask it, for keyword searching is it adwords keyword tool a good one?

Dinheiro said...

Dennisjr, are you seeing any results with that program?

Grizzly Brears said...

Hey Everyone,

I'll be tied up for a few hours but will be back to answer the rest of the comments later...

gotafish said...

Grizz,
No I'm not using any ads until blog is indexed, and starts getting ranked for its keyword or I notice traffic starting to come in at a regular rate. I must say that even though some are indexed within a week often get deindexed for a couple days and then reappear. This has become pretty much the norm.

Dennisjr said...

Dinheiro,
It's hard to say. I have only been using it for a couple of days. I started targeting Pr5 & Pr4 sites. However, I have not opened up the browser to see if they are "nofollow" I figured I would use it for a little while and see what happens. I really liked their ebook that came with it.
That's why I tried it. If you have ever used the free software "article submitter" you will be comfortable using it.

However, from what I understand you have to be careful not to submit to that many directies too quickly and submit to the wrong directories that are not related at all to your site. I am still a noob at this so don't take my word as golden.

DaMan said...

Hey Grizz,
What service, if any, do you use for buying links? I've tried a few of them and never really see much of a difference. Also what strategy do you use? Go for all PR5 sites? Lower PR? A mixed bag?
Thanks man,
DaMan

Venkat said...

Hi Griz,

I thought of taking up the challenge and tried to do some investigation on your site. There were 5 post with about 200 back links. This past month with inspiration provided by you, I have collected some free gadgets like keyword preview, keyword research tools, google keyword tools,backlink checkers and started few niche blogs after thorough investigation. I have decided to leave my confusing blog as it is and start to concentrate on money making. Thank you once again.

Anonymous said...

Griz,
I've been starting new blogger blogs and getting backlinks. Problem is, I can't get Google to index them. Many are over a month old now and have 200+ links mainly from Propellar and some via Bookmarking Demon. Any advice? Its hard to move up in the SERPS when Google doen't even recognize you! Thanks.
Stan

Houston said...

Grizz,

I can't find your email address, may I know where to find it so that I can email you regarding backlinks? Thanks alot here!

I was also trying to compile all blog post you have but it's not easy, it's definitely worth it to compile and reading it offline. Cheers!

Houston

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Anonymous said...

Grizz

I've sent you an email to be kept in the loop about the LV and BS link. I also would like to know what you think about Brad Callen's software AffiliateElite. Hope you have time to check it out.

Also regarding someone who has trouble getting his blogspots indexed, I'll just share my personal experience a bit.

People say to get into social bookmarks and related links from established sites etc all that may be true but I think at the end of the day G indexes you when it indexes you.

I've had new blogspots that had links and were submitted to social sites and only got indexed several weeks or over a month later, a couple that are still not indexed and a few that got indexed within a few days. So, yeah...G makes me wonder.

cheers
mambo

Marc said...

Hi Griz!

Another great post, as usual!

I was wondering if you had any tips on how to get effective backlinks? You said it took you an hour to collect 20 backlinks.. how'd you do it? Thank you so much for taking the time to respond! More power to you!

Superfan Marc

Stephen said...

dennisJr,

Are you referring to 'directory submitter' (gfree version) by Brad Callen? Regardless of whatever directory tool you are using I would recommend using a 'lookup' tool with it - a tool that lets you instantly check the current PR of the directory you are submitting to. I used the lookup tool that comes with the "SEO for firefox" extension while using DS and I was surprised to see how much the PR had changed on some sites since they were listed with Directory Submitter. Also, remember that your site wont be listed with all the directories at the same time - some take longer than others to list your site so there will probably be a natural spacing of the listings anyway. You will probably notice the emails coming in as they get listed.

PS. Grizz, consider this my expression of interest in any future discussion/forum links that you offer us.
-Stephen-

Dennisjr said...

Stephen,
I am not sure if the free DS is made by Brad Callen. It is made by G-lock. So, if that's it... then yes that is the one I was referring too. The ebook with it reads like Brad Callens free tutorials. I know the software was fairly useful and I liked how they allowed the random target of keywords. I have the firefox SEO, However what widget did you install with it? It's been awhile since I used it. Do you know of any free reliable back link checkers??

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